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Message: [QUOTE="GoSU96, post: 2369851, member: 114"] Reason for optimism. I took a look at this a couple years back and when I have the time I'll update the last couple of years. Right now SU is 27th in total offense and 38th in total defense for a combined total rank value of 65, which I guess would be top 30 Over the 2012 and 2013 seasons, 51 teams finished with a combined ranking of total offense ranking and total defense of 80 or less. Of those 51 teams: 32 finished with 10 or more wins, 5 with 9, 11 with 8, 3 with 7. To finish with a losing record being top 40 in both offense and defense would be astounding. [/QUOTE]