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Message: [QUOTE="AZOrange, post: 99319, member: 278"] or maybe i was too clos". katz said they had "become a middling program" at that time. I dont think that is a terrible statement. The second round of the NCAAs we got throttled by Kansas right? And we were playing guys like Billy Celuck who was more famous for his late night escapades than anything he did on the court. In addition to the terrible play on the court in 2001-02 you had all the drama between Preston and Deshaun (alot of which did not play out in the media or publicly). We got a pretty good class with Forth, Pace, Edelin, Konecny and Warrick. Within a couple months Konecny was gone, Edelin was out of school and all the other stuff unfolded...Those were very dark days indeed. [/QUOTE]