Millhouse

[upperdeck]

can your stats show avg time of possession per play run? all this talk of we take too long to run plays makes me wonder if we really do?

now you cant compare baylor who runs plays in 15 secs.. and Inc passes skew the TOS and play calls too. but even last week pitt ran more plays but TOS/Plays is dead even with us.

someone would really need to throw out the milk the clock plays and really look at how long from play end to play start teams are taking to see pace of play.

What is success in play calling ? you could run more plays and both teams go 3 n out with 70 passes a game?

I think if we are getting a drive to go 40+ yds or 2/3+ Fds you are starting to trend in a good direction ? are we ?

 

[Millhouse]

can your stats show avg time of possession per play run? all this talk of we take too long to run plays makes me wonder if we really do?

now you cant compare baylor who runs plays in 15 secs.. and Inc passes skew the TOS and play calls too. but even last week pitt ran more plays but TOS/Plays is dead even with us.

someone would really need to throw out the milk the clock plays and really look at how long from play end to play start teams are taking to see pace of play.

What is success in play calling ? you could run more plays and both teams go 3 n out with 70 passes a game?

I think if we are getting a drive to go 40+ yds or 2/3+ Fds you are starting to trend in a good direction ? are we ?

took total time of possession divided by total number of plays. then i ranked those from smallest seconds per play to highest.

we are slow. 101 teams faster than us. we don't throw as much so the clock runs, I get that. but really fast teams run a lot too

here are the fastest
Tulsa
Baylor
Texas Tech
Arizona
North Texas
Massachusetts
UCLA
Oregon
Bowling Green
Northern Illinois

 

[Millhouse]

Here are the slowest teams starting with us

Syracuse
Utah
Wisconsin
Appalachian State
Virginia
Central Michigan
Iowa
Florida State
Connecticut
Penn State
Western Michigan
San Diego State
Florida
Boston College
UTEP
Kansas State
Michigan
North Carolina State
Navy
Georgia Tech
Arkansas
Georgia Southern
Temple
LSU
Pittsburgh
Army
Stanford

 

[upperdeck]

do teams that run plays faster create more success or are they better so they can run more plays because more plays work? I know some years it seems we milk the clock to get the play in, but regardless of the stats I dont think thats the issue this year. we already leave the D on the field too much, if we ran plays faster wouldnt they be on the field even more?

 

[upperdeck]

Here are the slowest teams starting with us

Syracuse
Utah
Wisconsin
Appalachian State
Virginia
Central Michigan
Iowa
Florida State
Connecticut
Penn State
Western Michigan
San Diego State
Florida
Boston College
UTEP
Kansas State
Michigan
North Carolina State
Navy
Georgia Tech
Arkansas
Georgia Southern
Temple
LSU
Pittsburgh
Army
Stanford

what is the slowest based on? plats per TOS?

 

[Millhouse]

people who expect more plays the rest of the year are going to be disappointed. everyone is slow but clemson and we don't want a lot of plays there.

louisville is 77th fastest. everyone else is slower than us

 

[Millhouse]

what is the slowest based on? plats per TOS?

cfbstats to excel. total time of possession (converted to seconds) divided by total plays for each team, ranked in ascending order.

 

[Millhouse]

do teams that run plays faster create more success or are they better so they can run more plays because more plays work? I know some years it seems we milk the clock to get the play in, but regardless of the stats I dont think thats the issue this year. we already leave the D on the field too much, if we ran plays faster wouldnt they be on the field even more?

if you're good and a fast pace doesn't mess you up, it amplifies your per play advantage.

if you're a power team that requires lots of subbing, it probably doesn't help you

if you're somewhere in the middle, speeding things up might help your offense but not enough to offset the number of plays you're giving a better team. it's uncertain.

we're not getting to 6, simplify the offense, go fast, the defense stinks in the first quarter anyway, what difference does it make. eventually we need to stop whiteknuckling and start trying to be who we want to be.

shafer doesn't know what he wants to be though.

 

[upperdeck]

in this set if data then you get penalized for success and rewarded for plodding forward depending on the type of plays you run and whether they stay in bounds or become incomplete passes. Pitt ran more play last week.. but the reality of the game is that the last drive skewed the TOS by 10 min because of the fake punt.. they held the ball for the last 5 min and ran 10 more plays off that one play result so the stats say yet watching you would say we moved the ball had 2 unforced TO's threw the ball more than we ran and didnt have TOS.

with 10 to go we were ahead in both stats and one play changed that and it wasn't even run by the offense against a defense. one play. thats not reflected in the stats at all. call the penalty we drive down and kick the FG and we run more plays and win or break even on the TOS.

just like UV one play changes the game. one unneeded facemask. All the stats out the window off 1 play each game of a team thats 5-2 and top 30.

maybe we should pass more, we need to win more and passing more is not holding us back from that. passing led to the 2 Ints vs Pitt and the fumble that cost us the Virg game

 

[Millhouse]

in this set if data then you get penalized for success and rewarded for plodding forward depending on the type of plays you run and whether they stay in bounds or become incomplete passes. Pitt ran more play last week.. but the reality of the game is that the last drive skewed the TOS by 10 min because of the fake punt.. they held the ball for the last 5 min and ran 10 more plays off that one play result so the stats say yet watching you would say we moved the ball had 2 unforced TO's threw the ball more than we ran and didnt have TOS.

with 10 to go we were ahead in both stats and one play changed that and it wasn't even run by the offense against a defense. one play. thats not reflected in the stats at all. call the penalty we drive down and kick the FG and we run more plays and win or break even on the TOS.

just like UV one play changes the game. one unneeded facemask. All the stats out the window off 1 play each game of a team thats 5-2 and top 30.

maybe we should pass more, we need to win more and passing more is not holding us back from that. passing led to the 2 Ints vs Pitt and the fumble that cost us the Virg game

yeah, I said that teams that run burn more clock.

i don't know why you bothered asking for this before going into your normal routine of bemoaning a few plays that would've changed everything.

we're good at passing. we should do that. we want more plays for dungey. we should hurry up then

 

[Upstate]

Slowest/Fastest teams are really interesting. Look at how many NE teams are in the fastest compared to the slowest.

 

[GoSU96]

took total time of possession divided by total number of plays. then i ranked those from smallest seconds per play to highest.

we are slow. 101 teams faster than us. we don't throw as much so the clock runs, I get that. but really fast teams run a lot too

here are the fastest
Tulsa
Baylor
Texas Tech
Arizona
North Texas
Massachusetts
UCLA
Oregon
Bowling Green
Northern Illinois

I was checking periodically in the first half and they were snapping the with over ten seconds left consistently. They were making an effort to increase the tempo.

 

[Millhouse]

I was checking periodically in the first half and they were snapping the with over ten seconds left consistently. They were making an effort to increase the tempo.

for the game they ran 54 plays in 1463 seconds (24 min 23 seconds). 27.1 seconds per play. season average of 27.9 seconds per play.

 

[Millhouse]

I was checking periodically in the first half and they were snapping the with over ten seconds left consistently. They were making an effort to increase the tempo.

tulsa is at 18.7 seconds for the year. we take about 50% more time than them (tulsa is extreme)

 

[upperdeck]

yeah, I said that teams that run burn more clock.

i don't know why you bothered asking for this before going into your normal routine of bemoaning a few plays that would've changed everything.

we're good at passing. we should do that. we want more plays for dungey. we should hurry up then

im not saying its a bad thing. but i also dont think playing faster is the issue nor that we are not playing faster just because play count is down. you are convinced that more plays run faster solves a problem. if the FR QB cant get the plays off fast enough that might not be a play calling issue. you are thinking we have some success passing therefor we should pass more. I think the little success we have passing is because teams are more focused on stopping the run to make us pass more.

You really think Lester is so dead set against passing he is forcing the run more? he seems the type to call what he thinks will work.

When Dungey is throwing well we are an OK passing team, and for sure we pass better than we run, he also has long periods where his footwork and arm angle is wacked and we go no where.

if we passed every down i would not be above saying we would be having more success in some ways getting down the field. i dont think however calling plays faster is going to help us.

 

[DownTheField]

cfbstats to excel. total time of possession (converted to seconds) divided by total plays for each team, ranked in ascending order.

So wouldn't the "fastest" teams be the ones that throw often and throw a lot of incompletions?