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Dcuse said:
I have zero problem with him saying it. I don't care what he makes as a coach...he's right.
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If folks want to have the conversation about how societally we don't financially reward the people that contribute to the society in the right way relative to how we reward other things, that's absolutely a conversation worth having, but it won't be led very effectively by that guy, who directly overly benefits from the way things work now, making a statement with exhibiting absolutely zero self awareness and nuance.
 
Dcuse said:
I have zero problem with him saying it. I don't care what he makes as a coach...he's right.
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It’s always interesting to me who people decide should benefit from capitalism and then who, for some arbitrary reasons, should not benefit from the exact same system.
 
qdawgg said:
It’s always interesting to me who people decide should benefit from capitalism and then who, for some arbitrary reasons, should not benefit from the exact same system.
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Really? Players weren’t benefiting before? I‘m sure you’re in favor of teachers inability to discipline kids in grade school too…right? Just let the kids run the show. This a great society people like you are building. Always interesting to me.
 
Dcuse said:
Really? Players weren’t benefiting before? I‘m sure you’re in favor of teachers inability to discipline kids in grade school too…right? Just let the kids run the show. This a great society people like you are building. Always interesting to me.
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Yup. You’ve got me pegged. You should visit my classroom one day and you’ll walk away with a different impression. But feel free to also DM some of the research you’ve read to help support your ideas on what an effective classroom looks like. Make sure the author doesn’t have the last name of DeSantis. I’m not 100% convinced he’s qualified but he might win me over eventually……..

You managed to get triggered, go off on a topic not related and still not answer my question. Which tells me all I need to know.
 
qdawgg said:
Yup. You’ve got me pegged. You should visit my classroom one day and you’ll walk away with a different impression. But feel free to also DM some of the research you’ve read to help support your ideas on what an effective classroom looks like. Make sure the author doesn’t have the last name of DeSantis. I’m not 100% convinced he’s qualified but he might win me over eventually……..

You managed to get triggered, go off on a topic not related and still not answer my question. Which tells me all I need to know.
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Fair enough. Question then….do you feel kids are given passes on bad behavior more then ever before? My wife and teacher friends are finding it near impossible to do their jobs anymore because of it. Question 2…do you believe that college students should be the equal of their teachers and coaches? How do you instruct them in that scenario? I admit to being totally baffled by this movement to give all this power to kids, both younger and college age.
 
Dcuse said:
Fair enough. Question then….do you feel kids are given passes on bad behavior more then ever before? My wife and teacher friends are finding it near impossible to do their jobs anymore because of it. Question 2…do you believe that college students should be the equal of their teachers and coaches? How do you instruct them in that scenario? I admit to being totally baffled by this movement to give all this power to kids, both younger and college age.
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These questions are far more complex than I can do it justice on a football board…… but great questions.

* I think sometimes what we think is happening is not actually happening or not happening everywhere (at as large a % as “people” think at times)

* A friend of mine said this once about students of today, Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”
—> Socrates

* My point is; students today are different and yet are no different than students decades ago or further back. They’re different not because they are bad or because they are lazy or because we are easy on them.

They’re different because the world today is far different than it was decades ago and more than anything else. Their world is changing at a pace far more rapidly than any other generation before.

Every new generation gets pinned with titles that “they’re getting passes for bad behavior”. Your grandparents generation said that about your parents, people my parents ages say that about the younger generations today. It’s cyclical and I’ve read enough readings through my graduate studies of American history (and everything I’ve done before/after) to have seen that every “older generation” thinks their generation was superior to all generations below them.

I don’t think the question of, are we letting kids get away with things today we didn’t before is the right question. I failed 8th grade and was an absolute terror in school. My friends and I did things kids today would go to jail for now, in a second. Things change, we are far more serious in punishing students for certain things today than we ever did in the 80’s and even 90’s. Maybe in some ways we are far more lax in other areas. But “we” haven’t just given up control to students necessarily. It’s a different world.

To go along with that…… we always look at the students in a negative connotation. I could write a book about this but I’m going to wrap this up. Maybe the types of people going into education today are different than decades ago and their views of a classroom are different. I’m not saying that’s good or bad. What’s the impact that social media has on the school district. When an admin makes a decision to punish a kid for something they were caught on video doing and the parent drags the admins name (and family - including their kids) through the mud. When that happens over and over, as it does all the time now, how does that impact the way the school approaches discipline? Not because it doesn’t care but because of numerous other factors.

So to answer your question about whether students are punished by admins today and it makes your wife and her friends jobs difficult. I don’t disagree with that but I don’t think it’s a simple answer. Decades ago, admins worked in the school almost their whole lives. That’s almost nonexistent today. I was in the car business for 10 years before becoming a teacher. The turnover in the car business was incredible, no surprise. The turnover in education, especially at the admin level is just as incredible. That’s at least what I have experienced personally and have many friends that have as well. I think that’s had a huge impact on students knowing what the rules even are. I’ve had a mix of admins at both extremes of discipline. What I’m seeing is more and more admins are scared to discipline because of the parental backlash. My personal style is on the strict side, I’m not running a zoo and nobody is disrespecting me or the room I work in. However, I failed 8th grade and was held back. I try to understand my students and talk to them on a personal level. I work in a very poor district. So I believe in both extremes of classroom management. If you do something wrong I don’t let things slide but you’re going to correct your behavior and we’ll move on and 5 minutes later I’m going to ask you how your baseball game went.

So I wonder if the better question is, what has happened with everything else besides the students to create the environment we see today. At least the negative aspects, I think there’s a lot of positives we don’t give enough credit for.

This is all probably a blabbering mess. Trying to look up a cheap mower that won’t die in a year, typing this on my phone with fat fingers, I have a million thoughts and just spouted out what came to me. This is a mess of information. I don’t teach English.
 
qdawgg said:
These questions are far more complex than I can do it justice on a football board…… but great questions.

* I think sometimes what we think is happening is not actually happening or not happening everywhere (at as large a % as “people” think at times)

* A friend of mine said this once about students of today, Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”
—> Socrates

* My point is; students today are different and yet are no different than students decades ago or further back. They’re different not because they are bad or because they are lazy or because we are easy on them.

They’re different because the world today is far different than it was decades ago and more than anything else. Their world is changing at a pace far more rapidly than any other generation before.

Every new generation gets pinned with titles that “they’re getting passes for bad behavior”. Your grandparents generation said that about your parents, people my parents ages say that about the younger generations today. It’s cyclical and I’ve read enough readings through my graduate studies of American history (and everything I’ve done before/after) to have seen that every “older generation” thinks their generation was superior to all generations below them.

I don’t think the question of, are we letting kids get away with things today we didn’t before is the right question. I failed 8th grade and was an absolute terror in school. My friends and I did things kids today would go to jail for now, in a second. Things change, we are far more serious in punishing students for certain things today than we ever did in the 80’s and even 90’s. Maybe in some ways we are far more lax in other areas. But “we” haven’t just given up control to students necessarily. It’s a different world.

To go along with that…… we always look at the students in a negative connotation. I could write a book about this but I’m going to wrap this up. Maybe the types of people going into education today are different than decades ago and their views of a classroom are different. I’m not saying that’s good or bad. What’s the impact that social media has on the school district. When an admin makes a decision to punish a kid for something they were caught on video doing and the parent drags the admins name (and family - including their kids) through the mud. When that happens over and over, as it does all the time now, how does that impact the way the school approaches discipline? Not because it doesn’t care but because of numerous other factors.

So to answer your question about whether students are punished by admins today and it makes your wife and her friends jobs difficult. I don’t disagree with that but I don’t think it’s a simple answer. Decades ago, admins worked in the school almost their whole lives. That’s almost nonexistent today. I was in the car business for 10 years before becoming a teacher. The turnover in the car business was incredible, no surprise. The turnover in education, especially at the admin level is just as incredible. That’s at least what I have experienced personally and have many friends that have as well. I think that’s had a huge impact on students knowing what the rules even are. I’ve had a mix of admins at both extremes of discipline. What I’m seeing is more and more admins are scared to discipline because of the parental backlash. My personal style is on the strict side, I’m not running a zoo and nobody is disrespecting me or the room I work in. However, I failed 8th grade and was held back. I try to understand my students and talk to them on a personal level. I work in a very poor district. So I believe in both extremes of classroom management. If you do something wrong I don’t let things slide but you’re going to correct your behavior and we’ll move on and 5 minutes later I’m going to ask you how your baseball game went.

So I wonder if the better question is, what has happened with everything else besides the students to create the environment we see today. At least the negative aspects, I think there’s a lot of positives we don’t give enough credit for.

This is all probably a blabbering mess. Trying to look up a cheap mower that won’t die in a year, typing this on my phone with fat fingers, I have a million thoughts and just spouted out what came to me. This is a mess of information. I don’t teach English.
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As a fellow educator I really enjoy your thinking here and agree. We always want to blame the kids, but they are just trying to swim in the society we have built for them.
 
qdawgg said:
These questions are far more complex than I can do it justice on a football board…… but great questions.

* I think sometimes what we think is happening is not actually happening or not happening everywhere (at as large a % as “people” think at times)

* A friend of mine said this once about students of today, Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”
—> Socrates

* My point is; students today are different and yet are no different than students decades ago or further back. They’re different not because they are bad or because they are lazy or because we are easy on them.

They’re different because the world today is far different than it was decades ago and more than anything else. Their world is changing at a pace far more rapidly than any other generation before.

Every new generation gets pinned with titles that “they’re getting passes for bad behavior”. Your grandparents generation said that about your parents, people my parents ages say that about the younger generations today. It’s cyclical and I’ve read enough readings through my graduate studies of American history (and everything I’ve done before/after) to have seen that every “older generation” thinks their generation was superior to all generations below them.

I don’t think the question of, are we letting kids get away with things today we didn’t before is the right question. I failed 8th grade and was an absolute terror in school. My friends and I did things kids today would go to jail for now, in a second. Things change, we are far more serious in punishing students for certain things today than we ever did in the 80’s and even 90’s. Maybe in some ways we are far more lax in other areas. But “we” haven’t just given up control to students necessarily. It’s a different world.

To go along with that…… we always look at the students in a negative connotation. I could write a book about this but I’m going to wrap this up. Maybe the types of people going into education today are different than decades ago and their views of a classroom are different. I’m not saying that’s good or bad. What’s the impact that social media has on the school district. When an admin makes a decision to punish a kid for something they were caught on video doing and the parent drags the admins name (and family - including their kids) through the mud. When that happens over and over, as it does all the time now, how does that impact the way the school approaches discipline? Not because it doesn’t care but because of numerous other factors.

So to answer your question about whether students are punished by admins today and it makes your wife and her friends jobs difficult. I don’t disagree with that but I don’t think it’s a simple answer. Decades ago, admins worked in the school almost their whole lives. That’s almost nonexistent today. I was in the car business for 10 years before becoming a teacher. The turnover in the car business was incredible, no surprise. The turnover in education, especially at the admin level is just as incredible. That’s at least what I have experienced personally and have many friends that have as well. I think that’s had a huge impact on students knowing what the rules even are. I’ve had a mix of admins at both extremes of discipline. What I’m seeing is more and more admins are scared to discipline because of the parental backlash. My personal style is on the strict side, I’m not running a zoo and nobody is disrespecting me or the room I work in. However, I failed 8th grade and was held back. I try to understand my students and talk to them on a personal level. I work in a very poor district. So I believe in both extremes of classroom management. If you do something wrong I don’t let things slide but you’re going to correct your behavior and we’ll move on and 5 minutes later I’m going to ask you how your baseball game went.

So I wonder if the better question is, what has happened with everything else besides the students to create the environment we see today. At least the negative aspects, I think there’s a lot of positives we don’t give enough credit for.

This is all probably a blabbering mess. Trying to look up a cheap mower that won’t die in a year, typing this on my phone with fat fingers, I have a million thoughts and just spouted out what came to me. This is a mess of information. I don’t teach English.
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I don’t think that quote needs to be attributed to Socrates - it also is most certainly not Plato (Socrates didn’t record anything known in writing but Plato did include a Socrates character in his dialogues.) I’m happy to be wrong about that if someone can point to the dialogue it’s from … sorry to get sidetracked, I enjoy ancient Greek theory.
 
OrangeTarheel said:
I don’t think that quote needs to be attributed to Socrates - it also is most certainly not Plato (Socrates didn’t record anything known in writing but Plato did include a Socrates character in his dialogues.) I’m happy to be wrong about that if someone can point to the dialogue it’s from … sorry to get sidetracked, I enjoy ancient Greek theory.
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Socrates thoughts were recorded by his students including Plato. Was this exact quote actually said, recorded and passed
through the years accurately. Who knows. Probably not. More than anything else it was the concept that was important.
 
Since it's off topic now I think the biggest issue is social media and the associated clout it brings. Kids or anyone for that matter now record the bad behavior and then sit in an echo chamber of applause. So bad behavior and bad opinions now get positive reinforcement like never before. If anything is said or done re: push back or discipline, then the social media mobs descend and make everything worse.

Ultimately it always comes back to parenting though. Parents are and should be parenting. Stop being buddies with your kids, stop piggy backing off their social media clout, start raising kids that will respect others even those they disagree with. People in general need to find identifies outside social media and stop trying to get affirmation for their life choices from strangers on the internet.
 
qdawgg said:
These questions are far more complex than I can do it justice on a football board…… but great questions.

* I think sometimes what we think is happening is not actually happening or not happening everywhere (at as large a % as “people” think at times)

* A friend of mine said this once about students of today, Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.”
—> Socrates

* My point is; students today are different and yet are no different than students decades ago or further back. They’re different not because they are bad or because they are lazy or because we are easy on them.

They’re different because the world today is far different than it was decades ago and more than anything else. Their world is changing at a pace far more rapidly than any other generation before.

Every new generation gets pinned with titles that “they’re getting passes for bad behavior”. Your grandparents generation said that about your parents, people my parents ages say that about the younger generations today. It’s cyclical and I’ve read enough readings through my graduate studies of American history (and everything I’ve done before/after) to have seen that every “older generation” thinks their generation was superior to all generations below them.

I don’t think the question of, are we letting kids get away with things today we didn’t before is the right question. I failed 8th grade and was an absolute terror in school. My friends and I did things kids today would go to jail for now, in a second. Things change, we are far more serious in punishing students for certain things today than we ever did in the 80’s and even 90’s. Maybe in some ways we are far more lax in other areas. But “we” haven’t just given up control to students necessarily. It’s a different world.

To go along with that…… we always look at the students in a negative connotation. I could write a book about this but I’m going to wrap this up. Maybe the types of people going into education today are different than decades ago and their views of a classroom are different. I’m not saying that’s good or bad. What’s the impact that social media has on the school district. When an admin makes a decision to punish a kid for something they were caught on video doing and the parent drags the admins name (and family - including their kids) through the mud. When that happens over and over, as it does all the time now, how does that impact the way the school approaches discipline? Not because it doesn’t care but because of numerous other factors.

So to answer your question about whether students are punished by admins today and it makes your wife and her friends jobs difficult. I don’t disagree with that but I don’t think it’s a simple answer. Decades ago, admins worked in the school almost their whole lives. That’s almost nonexistent today. I was in the car business for 10 years before becoming a teacher. The turnover in the car business was incredible, no surprise. The turnover in education, especially at the admin level is just as incredible. That’s at least what I have experienced personally and have many friends that have as well. I think that’s had a huge impact on students knowing what the rules even are. I’ve had a mix of admins at both extremes of discipline. What I’m seeing is more and more admins are scared to discipline because of the parental backlash. My personal style is on the strict side, I’m not running a zoo and nobody is disrespecting me or the room I work in. However, I failed 8th grade and was held back. I try to understand my students and talk to them on a personal level. I work in a very poor district. So I believe in both extremes of classroom management. If you do something wrong I don’t let things slide but you’re going to correct your behavior and we’ll move on and 5 minutes later I’m going to ask you how your baseball game went.

So I wonder if the better question is, what has happened with everything else besides the students to create the environment we see today. At least the negative aspects, I think there’s a lot of positives we don’t give enough credit for.

This is all probably a blabbering mess. Trying to look up a cheap mower that won’t die in a year, typing this on my phone with fat fingers, I have a million thoughts and just spouted out what came to me. This is a mess of information. I don’t teach English.
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My wife and I are fans of John Rosemond (well known/accomplished family psychologist) and went to several of his seminars here in Charlotte, NC when our kids were young and in their most critical developmental stages, etc. We have several of his books.

Though the world has changed around us as you mentioned, your mentioning that they are no different than years ago is what I would completely agree with. It's the parents, and in the method in which they chose to raise them, i.e. "gentle parenting" or "postmodern psychological parenting."

It appears, unless I've misinterpreted your post, you may not be much of a fan/proponent of his style/philosophies.

'According to its proponents, gentle parenting involves treating children as equals, having them participate in family decision-making, giving them a plethora of choices (as opposed to commands) and explanations, and never, ever telling them that something they did was wrong. Gentle parents are not authority figures; they are “partners.”'

www.beaconjournal.com

John Rosemond: The ways of gentle parenting

At a speaking engagement, I was told that several parents refused to attend because I am not an advocate of “gentle parenting.” That implies that I proselytize for “rough” or “harsh” parenting, which…
www.beaconjournal.com
 
Just listened to the whole question and response. A big nothing-burger blown out of proportion for clicks.
 
Dcuse said:
Really? Players weren’t benefiting before? I‘m sure you’re in favor of teachers inability to discipline kids in grade school too…right? Just let the kids run the show. This a great society people like you are building. Always interesting to me.
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Wow, please make sure to stretch first. I don't want you to strain your back moving those goalposts that quickly.
 
texascpa said:
Just listened to the whole question and response. A big nothing-burger blown out of proportion for clicks.
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Well, the question was about gambling, his answer was along the lines of “hey, kids are making a lot of money now so of course that will bring some issues” which on its own would have been a fine answer, but throwing in the “he saves lives” part about his pediatrician brother pretty clearly veers off into “they are making too much money” when he is making way more and not saving lives either. Which makes him sound like a hypocritical jerk. Since he is an SEC guy I kind of enjoy him being hammered
 
djorange1989 said:
Well, the question was about gambling, his answer was along the lines of “hey, kids are making a lot of money now so of course that will bring some issues” which on its own would have been a fine answer, but throwing in the “he saves lives” part about his pediatrician brother pretty clearly veers off into “they are making too much money” when he is making way more and not saving lives either. Which makes him sound like a hypocritical jerk. Since he is an SEC guy I kind of enjoy him being hammered
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Who cares. He was making a comparison.
 
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