More evidence college officials get hot and bothered over calling charges.

[Cusefan0307]

Look at this Cowtown

 

[upperdeck]

not sure what this is trying to say?

 

[OrangeYaGladi]

not sure what this is trying to say?

that Joe Girard eats shaky potatoes

 

[Alsacs]

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not sure what this is trying to say?

That refs are obsessed with calling charges at the rim instead of blocks.

Their is no way 78% of the fouls should be called in favor of the defender. They slide over to where the offensive players is driving.

Refs should be calling more blocking fouls and less chargers.

But they get off for some reason calling the charge.

All college refs should be taught like NBA refs.

College refs favor the defense.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

a

That refs are obsessed with calling charges at the rim instead of blocks.

Their is no way 78% of the fouls should be called in favor of the defender. They slide over to where the offensive players is driving.

Refs should be calling more blocking fouls and less chargers.

But they get off for some reason calling the charge.

All college refs should be taught like NBA refs.

College refs favor the defense.

this is a lot of facts not in actual evidence.

 

[RF2044]

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That refs are obsessed with calling charges at the rim instead of blocks.

Their is no way 78% of the fouls should be called in favor of the defender. They slide over to where the offensive players is driving.

Refs should be calling more blocking fouls and less chargers.

But they get off for some reason calling the charge.

All college refs should be taught like NBA refs.

College refs favor the defense.

Plus, in college a lot of those charges are called when secondary defenders slide over.

And just from observation, many of them are anticipatory-type whistles, with limited contact, or fail to account when the offensive player adjusts their body to generally avoid contact, despite the defender falling down [or flopping].

 

[NateW]

Finally a stat to that conveys how officiating has pretty much ruined the college game’s watchability.

College basketball is the only sport remaining that refuses to make adjustments that emphasize offense & outlaw defensive tactics that gum up the beauty of the game.

 

[Bayside44]

this is a lot of facts not in actual evidence.

 

[FireballPhil]

The restricted area pretty much determined this, not the ref's.

 

[RF2044]

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Exhibit A, your honor.

 

[Alsacs]

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I raise you this even worse one.

Morgan slid under Triche.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I raise you this even worse one.

Morgan slid under Triche.

Oh, that one I'll give you.

 

[upperdeck]

just because 78% are called blocks doesnt mean its wrong.. lets remove all the ones by rule from the discussion.. those can be debated..

 

[RF2044]

just because 78% are called blocks doesnt mean its wrong.. lets remove all the ones by rule from the discussion.. those can be debated..

78% are called charges, not blocks, per the above.

Nobody is suggesting that they are ALL wrong / bad calls. But many of them are, and it needs to be cleaned up.

 

[upperdeck]

I also think people have a misconception on the rule as written too. lets go back to the original rules, no more blocking.. you stop the ball or get out of the way.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

78% are called charges, not blocks, per the above.

Nobody is suggesting that they are ALL wrong / bad calls. But many of them are, and it needs to be cleaned up.

That's not how I read that at all. Called in favor of the offense 22% of the time reads to me like it's a charge 22% of the time. Which feels about right.

And now I'm confused.

 

[RF2044]

That's not how I read that at all. Called in favor of the offense 22% of the time reads to me like it's a charge 22% of the time. Which feels about right.

Here was the question:

In Men’s CBB, what is the percentage of fouls called at the rim in transition that are in favor of the offense?

"In favor" would imply that it was a blocking foul, correct?

If the answer is "22%," then wouldn't that in turn mean that 78% of them are called charges, no?

Why would a charge be "in favor" of the offense, per your interpretation?

 

[OrangeDW]

I also think people have a misconception on the rule as written too. lets go back to the original rules, no more blocking.. you stop the ball or get out of the way.

Agreed. It’s a dumb and dangerous play that requires absolutely zero skill. Any scrub can stand in the way and undercut somebody or prevent them from landing or get run over. Get rid of it. Either contest the shot, or get out of the way.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Here was the question:

In Men’s CBB, what is the percentage of fouls called at the rim in transition that are in favor of the offense?

"In favor" would imply that it was a blocking foul, correct? Which would in turn mean that 78% of them are called charges, no?

Why would a charge be "in favor" of the offense, per your interpretation?

I think maybe you're right.

I'll also point out that all of the examples shown in this thread are not included in the above stats. They weren't 'in transition' based on my memory.

 

[donniesyracuse]

With most modern cell phone plans, don't all domestic calls cost the same?

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I'm really having a hard time visualizing this one. I can't think of a single instance where this happened this year by a Cuse defender or when we were on offense. Picking up a charge on a fast break by the other team. Most often, the defender gets called for a swipe on the offensive players arm. I haven't seen all the games, but anyone remember differently?

 

[Alsacs]

Kris Joseph got screwed by block/charges more than any player I can remember.
He got one almost every game his junior and senior seasons.

It’s lazy defense.
If a defender sets up and is completely still and both feet on the ground or the offensive players sticks out there arm then call that offensive foul.

Jayson Tatum extends his arm and gets those fouls.
Block/charge is just horribly officiated in the college game.
Refs love calling offensive fouls.

Like they get a bonus for each other. Tim Huggins would do dancing with the stars hop when calling his charges.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Relevant

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Kris Joseph got screwed by block/charges more than any player I can remember.
He got one almost every game his junior and senior seasons.

It’s lazy defense.
If a defender sets up and is completely still and both feet on the ground or the offensive players sticks out there arm then call that offensive foul.

Jayson Tatum extends his arm and gets those fouls.
Block/charge is just horribly officiated in the college game.
Refs love calling offensive fouls.

Like they get a bonus for each other. Tim Huggins would do dancing with the stars hop when calling his charges.

Yeah, feels like you're going way off topic here. Block charge calls on a fast break have to be really rare. Which is what this whole thread started out as.

And I'll repeat this everytime it's brought up. The defender in legal guarding position does not need to be at a standstill to get a charge called. If I'm d-ing you up, and I've established position, I can move as long as I stay in defensive position in front of you. And if you barrel through me, it's a charge on you, regardless of what you do with your arms.

I will say that I hate the secondary defender rule. If you aren't playing defense on me, and see me coming and step in front of where I'm going, even if you get there before I jump, it shouldn't be a charge on me. Unless I'm completely out of control.

 

[OrangeDW]

Kris Joseph got screwed by block/charges more than any player I can remember.
He got one almost every game his junior and senior seasons.

It’s lazy defense.
If a defender sets up and is completely still and both feet on the ground or the offensive players sticks out there arm then call that offensive foul.

Jayson Tatum extends his arm and gets those fouls.
Block/charge is just horribly officiated in the college game.
Refs love calling offensive fouls.

Like they get a bonus for each other. Tim Huggins would do dancing with the stars hop when calling his charges.

Back in that era when we were really good and I really cared about every single game, nothing would tick me off more than the refs acting extra excited to call charges on us. Our superior players are making great moves to get to the hole and these scrubs are undercutting them, and it’s always going the other way. It ruined the game.