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Message: [QUOTE="sutomcat, post: 5089463, member: 27"] I would say most of the SU fans I tend to know and spend time with are tailgaters. I think most of them are also what I would call die hards. How many fans who go to SU games tailgate? How many fans who go to SU games are diehards? I am not sure, but I think this is very much related to how the team is doing. When the team is 5-0 and in the top 25, there are a ton more bandwagon types in the stands than the last game of the season in recent years, when we have typically lost 4 or 5 in a row. The crowd is probably 95% diehards in those types of games. Anyway, we seem to get somewhere in the range of 26K-28K no matter what for football games. I think that is good evidence there is something in the neighborhood of 25K of diehard fans that come to games no matter what. So IMHO the majority of the fans that go to games are diehards. When things are going great, it might only be 60%. When things are going bad, it is probably in the 95% range. I have no idea how many fans tailgate. The diehard fans surely tend to tailgate more than the casual fans. So you concede diehards and tailgaters prefer later kickoff times. Good. That means you think the rest of the fans really like noon starts. This could be. I don’t hear this from the casual fans I know but maybe the ones I know are weird. It is possible. One thing I do know is that if you are going to break things down, a big part of the home crowd these days are the students. They are coming in record numbers. And I think everyone can agree that they hate noon kickoffs. The size of the student section is way down when we have noon kickoffs. They don’t like getting up that early. I have great confidence they would prefer 1:30 pm kickoffs. Probably would prefer 3L30 to 1:30 and 7:30 to 3:30 as well. Anything but noon. Anyway, I still don’t agree with you but let’s see how people respond to this thread. I could be wrong. I know this. Whenever kickoff times are announced for an SU home game and it turns out it is at noon, there always seems to be a strong negative reaction on this board. I am sure there are people out there that like noon starts best but I think they are outliers. [/QUOTE]

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