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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 4229613, member: 289"] We had a debate about the meaning of "compete" and I credited the team with the things they did accomplish, which inevitably brought a response from you and a few other posters, (which is fine: that's what the board is for). I also think that the fact that that was our first basketball losing record in 53 years puts the basketball program in a different situation than the football program who has had 7 losing records in 8 years. I don't think that can be ignored. I have never expressed satisfaction with going 16-17 in basketball, any more than I'm satisfied to go 5-7 in football. Boeheim had no shortage of criticism this season and neither did Babers and a lot of it came from me. (See my "Downside" posts.) But I'm objective enough to give credit where it is due, (thus the "Upside" posts) and will defend anyone from unfair criticism and there was some of that, too. [/QUOTE]