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Message: [QUOTE="SoBristol, post: 1114205, member: 485"] Thanks SWC. Really appreciate your perspective of history and the current challenge. Does history teach why it takes 7/8 years to reach national relevance? Does it teach whether the key factors are new and better facilities or a coach's continuity in the job? Is it only SU's history or can we also draw from the history of the rise and fall of (for example) Pitt and other programs that have rebuilt? Does history tell us we will get there for sure? More importantly, does the 7/8 years start with Marrone (2009) or with Shafer (2013)? Or maybe the mold is already broken because neither Ben nor Mac made a bowl game as early as we did with Doug and Scott? [/QUOTE]