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Message: [QUOTE="mikemorg, post: 3726588, member: 775"] Yeah, I know the point he was trying to make. And as has been said here, no one here really thinks the team isn't trying. But against Clemson, we never got closer than the final score at the end of the game IIRC and never threatened to get back in the game. We certainly never cut the lead to 10 points. And this line of thinking discounts what sort of effort Clemson put in in the second half, when at times they were just trying to run out the clock. It's a false equivalency and proves nothing. I agree with all of your other points. [/QUOTE]