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Message: [QUOTE="SmilinBob, post: 4794775, member: 857"] Barron isn't the holder and it's possible that might be an issue with the poor kick. Now Babers decisions to kick it in the first place, that's a whole other discussion. Also, I'm not sure Shraders arm is 100%. I'm not saying he had a great arm but something just seems off and I wonder if the surgery has something to do with it. Maybe the competition as well but even the open middle passes seem off. [/QUOTE]