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Message: [QUOTE="OrangePA, post: 363747, member: 204"] I don't know the answer at this point. It is clear that this team does not know how to win - how to take advantage of opportunities and to pounce on an opponent. It is clear to me that we have truly missed Derrell Smith - he was a rock for us on defense for Marrone's first two years. We also miss Mike Holmes in the secondary and Doug Hogue at LB. And though they were not All-Americans by any stretch, it seems obvious that we miss Tiller and Hay on the right side of the OL. I hope it is youth learning how to win. And I can deal with growing pains, but I hate stupid mistakes - Bromley's unnecessary call - and I hate poor tackling and lack of hitting. That has to change now. [/QUOTE]