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Message: [QUOTE="Libero2, post: 1110552, member: 2812"] I wouldn't say Jets fans are wonky, just gluttons for punishment. As for Eli, I do agree he needs to step it up, but when the talent around you goes south the way it has for the Giants no one QB can really mask the deficiencies. It's actually quite shocking watching it go south, two years ago they had a really promising WR corps, Cruz has leveled off without other talents around him, Randle isn't proceeding as well as they'd like and Nicks body went south on him. The OL is nearly in disrepair and the backs are in tatters right now. As for Ryan, if he can make one more sizable leap over the next year, I think he can be a bottom level starter for a few years in the league. I think it's highly unlikely that he gets that chance in Ny however. But it is certainly promising none the less to see his growth. [/QUOTE]