Nassib is good QB

[Halfmooncuse]

80% of the time but horrendous 20% of the time. Not bad but horrendous. The former gets him good stats and the latter loses games. He makes good throws within 20 yards but can not complete the bomb, ( I know no one on team can get open ). But he doesn't have a touch and fires 100 mph fast balls to receivers 5 yards away. When he needs 10 yards for first down he looks for receivers who even if completed are diving for the ball 8 yes away. When faced with third and long anxiety takes over and panic sets in when he sees the blitz. He sees the sack coming and pulls some stupid that ends in a fumble or throwing behind the line of scrimmage or running backwards for even a bigger loss of down. And if he's with ten yards of the goal line good lord. And he runs like hes got a refrigerator on his back.

Other than that he's a good QB.

 

[Orangello]

In a perfect world, Ryan would be the QB of West Chester Univ. and set Div. II records.

 

[orangenauburn]

good for our opponents

ba dum dum chhhh

 

[billsin01]

80% of the time but horrendous 20% of the time. Not bad but horrendous. The former gets him good stats and the latter loses games. He makes good throws within 20 yards but can not complete the bomb, ( I know no one on team can get open ). But he doesn't have a touch and fires 100 mph fast balls to receivers 5 yards away. When he needs 10 yards for first down he looks for receivers who even if completed are diving for the ball 8 yes away. When faced with third and long anxiety takes over and panic sets in when he sees the blitz. He sees the sack coming and pulls some stupid **** that ends in a fumble or throwing behind the line of scrimmage or running backwards for even a bigger loss of down. And if he's with ten yards of the goal line good lord. And he runs like hes got a refrigerator on his back.

Other than that he's a good QB.

This is what average QBs are and, generally speaking, he actually takes pretty good care of the football. He's got weaknesses but the problems with this program run far, far deeper than an average QB. We could absolutely stand to improve at the position but, of course, we've been saying that for ~15 years. Apparently it's not that easy.

 

[Millhouse]

80% of the time but horrendous 20% of the time. Not bad but horrendous. The former gets him good stats and the latter loses games. He makes good throws within 20 yards but can not complete the bomb, ( I know no one on team can get open ). But he doesn't have a touch and fires 100 mph fast balls to receivers 5 yards away. When he needs 10 yards for first down he looks for receivers who even if completed are diving for the ball 8 yes away. When faced with third and long anxiety takes over and panic sets in when he sees the blitz. He sees the sack coming and pulls some stupid **** that ends in a fumble or throwing behind the line of scrimmage or running backwards for even a bigger loss of down. And if he's with ten yards of the goal line good lord. And he runs like hes got a refrigerator on his back.

Other than that he's a good QB.

he plays qb like I golf. and i hate watching myself golf

 

[Opus]

Nassib is like the 4,5 starting pitcher in a baseball rotation. He has his moments but, he will walk that lead off batter who usually scores. (I hope this analogy makes sense)

 

[BlackKnight76]

In a perfect world, Ryan would be the QB of West Chester Univ. and set Div. II records.

Give it up, dude.

 

[SUFan44]

This is what average QBs are and, generally speaking, he actually takes pretty good care of the football. He's got weaknesses but the problems with this program run far, far deeper than an average QB. We could absolutely stand to improve at the position but, of course, we've been saying that for ~15 years. Apparently it's not that easy.

You think far less of the other 84 players on scholarship than I do.

 

[billsin01]

You think far less of the other 84 players on scholarship than I do.

I said nothing of the other players. The players on defense seem to do quite well actually. I think we have talent to be winning more. I simply think Nassib takes more than his share of the blame. Is he to blame to a certain extent? Absolutely. He's not great. He's not awful. That's that. And if he is awful, which I don't believe, then it's still not necessarily his fault since we're three years into this and the staff hasn't found an alternative that's better than "awful." So, even in that scenario, I still have questions that go far beyond Nassib.

 

[SUFan44]

I said nothing of the other players. The players on defense seem to do quite well actually. I think we have talent to be winning more. I simply think Nassib takes more than his share of the blame. Is he to blame to a certain extent? Absolutely. He's not great. He's not awful. That's that. And if he is awful, which I don't believe, then it's still not necessarily his fault since we're three years into this and the staff hasn't found an alternative that's better than "awful." So, even in that scenario, I still have questions that go far beyond Nassib.

I think we are on the same page. And I agree with you, it's not all Nassib's fault. He is what he is. And what you say about the staff's inability to find a better alternative does say a lot. Marrone has put all of his eggs in the basket of a kid who was not recruited by anyone currently on staff, and who has a) a deficiency in the mobility department, b) a deficiency in the long-range accuracy department, c) a deficiency in the "understanding down/distance/situation" department, and d) no feel for the pocket/read on a game.

We have a good enough team to win most of the games we have lost. No reason we lose to NW. No reason we should lose to Minnesota. And absolutely no reason we should lose to Rugers. We should be 5-1, yet we are 2-4. And as much as the reason of our failure is Nassib, it is not his fault. He is what he is. Marrone is to blame for not finding someone better.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Ryan is who he is. Get over it.

 

[kcsu]

Ryan is not a gammer. He is a Doug M type of player a kid who practices great which wins the coaches praise he is a kid who will do as he is told he is a kid who goes to class he is a kid who doesnt get into trouble he is a solid player and a great representative of Syracuse. What he isnt is very good under pressure. He doesnt have a clutch bone in his body. He wants to and at times actually shows a flash or two but at his core he just doesnt have it he just cant lead when the chips are down and more often than not actually way more often than not Ryan chokes, takes the Apple, Fans you name it he just doesnt get it done when it matters. Not in the redzone, not with the clock running down, not in OT, almost never. Ryan just doesnt have game when it matters most.

 

[SUFan44]

He is the anti-Jeter. The anti-Robert Horry. The anti-GMac, if you will. I agree with all of that. And you don't need either one of the three I mentioned to be a good college football team, either.

 

[billsin01]

Ryan is not a gammer. He is a Doug M type of player a kid who practices great which wins the coaches praise he is a kid who will do as he is told he is a kid who goes to class he is a kid who doesnt get into trouble he is a solid player and a great representative of Syracuse. What he isnt is very good under pressure. He doesnt have a clutch bone in his body. He wants to and at times actually shows a flash or two but at his core he just doesnt have it he just cant lead when the chips are down and more often than not actually way more often than not Ryan chokes, takes the Apple, Fans you name it he just doesnt get it done when it matters. Not in the redzone, not with the clock running down, not in OT, almost never. Ryan just doesnt have game when it matters most.

First of all, "gamer" has one 'm.' Secondly, it's an empty cliche. The notion that you can somehow determine who's clutch and who isn't is absurd. Third, doesn't have a game when it matters most? I think you could easily make the argument that we lose to dregs like Tulane and maybe even Stonybrook if Nassib doesn't have good games. The fact that we are "supposed" to beat those teams had nothing to do with the fact that we nearly didn't. We also crushed WVU and he was great vs. KState.

I don't know, the guy is not a great QB but your evaluation is atrocious.

 

[kcsu]

First of all, "gamer" has one 'm.' Secondly, it's an empty cliche. The notion that you can somehow determine who's clutch and who isn't is absurd. Third, doesn't have a game when it matters most? I think you could easily make the argument that we lose to dregs like Tulane and maybe even Stonybrook if Nassib doesn't have good games. The fact that we are "supposed" to beat those teams had nothing to do with the fact that we nearly didn't. We also crushed WVU and he was great vs. KState.

I don't know, the guy is not a great QB but your evaluation is atrocious.

and your the same guy who thinks Ryan is going pro. Get a clue. Ryan isnt a gameer gammer gamre in short Ryan doesnt have game when it counts.

 

[billsin01]

We have a good enough team to win most of the games we have lost. No reason we lose to NW. No reason we should lose to Minnesota. And absolutely no reason we should lose to Rugers. We should be 5-1, yet we are 2-4. And as much as the reason of our failure is Nassib, it is not his fault. He is what he is. Marrone is to blame for not finding someone better.

This above portion is where we differ. No reason we lose to NW? How about atrocious special teams, which have been an abject disaster all season? How about the fact that we don't have a single rushing TD from our top two RBs in the last four games? How about the fact that our longest run from scrimmage is 26 yards?

I'm not really defending Nassib to the extent that he's turned the ball over farrrrrr too often this season and certainly has been a significant part of our struggles. I just think people latch onto the "nassib sucks" bandwagon b/c it's easy and (people hope) easily remedied by the next guy in line. I just don't buy that logic.

 

[billsin01]

and your the same guy who thinks Ryan is going pro. Get a clue. Ryan isnt a gameer gammer gamre in short Ryan doesnt have game when it counts.

When did I say he was going pro? My only point is Nassib may not be a great QB, though we'll differ to a large extent on how good/bad he is. But the notion that he doesn't play "when it counts" is not only trite, empty sports radio drivel, it's simply wrong.

 

[kcsu]

When did I say he was going pro? My only point is Nassib may not be a great QB, though we'll differ to a large extent on how good/bad he is. But the notion that he doesn't play "when it counts" is not only trite, empty sports radio drivel, it's simply wrong.

please try to name all of the clutch plays that Ryan has had vs some of the poor plays. The facts are that Ryan doesnt do very well under pressure and has more often than not turned the ball over, made a very poor play, or failed to convert in key situations. He does his best when ahead or between the 20's.

 

[billsin01]

please try to name all of the clutch plays that Ryan has had vs some of the poor plays. The facts are that Ryan doesnt do very well under pressure and has more often than not turned the ball over, made a very poor play, or failed to convert in key situations. He does his best when ahead or between the 20's.

All teams move the ball better between the 20s. That's not "clutch" vs. "not clutch." That's a simple matter of being able to spread teams out more and have more room to work with, a factor that always favors the offense. Teams that excel inside the red zone are almost always teams with elite QBs (nassib isn't) and/or good offensive lines (ours isn't). It's truly not shocking that we don't finish drives remarkably well.

 

[rrlbees]

and your the same guy who thinks Ryan is going pro. Get a clue. Ryan isnt a gameer gammer gamre in short Ryan doesnt have game when it counts.

What is the stat they had on TV sometime in the past couple weeks about how many comebacks he has had?

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[BlackKnight76]

and your the same guy who thinks Ryan is going pro. Get a clue. Ryan isnt a gameer gammer gamre in short Ryan doesnt have game when it counts.

So what you're saying is Marcus Sales should start at QB.

 

[OrangePA]

This is what average QBs are and, generally speaking, he actually takes pretty good care of the football. He's got weaknesses but the problems with this program run far, far deeper than an average QB. We could absolutely stand to improve at the position but, of course, we've been saying that for ~15 years. Apparently it's not that easy.

A more athletic QB would make a difference in this team.

 

[SmilinBob]

A more athletic QB would make a difference in this team.

I agree but it seems like we have a 5-7 out of 10 qb thing going here and out of the 7 we'll get an athletic guy who can't pass that well or a guy that has a strong arm but can't make soft throws or he can't move that well. The grass being greener doesn't always work...we need a good qb that doesn't give other teams chances to win and can make a play with his arm or feet. I'm sorry OPA but just being an athletic qb isn't good enough for me, I'm sick of settling.

 

[kingottoiii]

If Nassib is going to make the incorrect reads like in this RU game then we need to scrap the hurry up and go to a no huddle pre snap OC read like ost of the other teams do in CFB. Take the decision making out of his hands. Very few teams go with a hurry up. Most teams will go no huddle and then line up. Once the D is set the call comes in from the sideline to all players. Which is just as quick as going hurry up, having the play given to Nassib and then having him relay it to every player. The way we do it really is a disadvantage. First there is a greater chance of the play being relayed incorrectly than a signal from the sideline. Second having a pre snap look before calling a play is a huge advantage. There were a few plays in the RU game where we had mismatches that we took away based on the patterns we ran. The last two seasons RU has jumped our short passes and we didn't even bother countering. The first INT was a joke. Lemon was uncovered and the play took him into the RU D where they were expecting him to be. If we had waited to see how they lined up to call a play, that INT never happens. Scrap the hurry up and go no huddle with Hackett reading the D before calling the play. It is what other teams do and it will help Nassib's decision making.

 

[Millhouse]

If Nassib is going to make the incorrect reads like in this RU game then we need to scrap the hurry up and go to a no huddle pre snap OC read like ost of the other teams do in CFB. Take the decision making out of his hands. Very few teams go with a hurry up. Most teams will go no huddle and then line up. Once the D is set the call comes in from the sideline to all players. Which is just as quick as going hurry up, having the play given to Nassib and then having him relay it to every player. The way we do it really is a disadvantage. First there is a greater chance of the play being relayed incorrectly than a signal from the sideline. Second having a pre snap look before calling a play is a huge advantage. There were a few plays in the RU game where we had mismatches that we took away based on the patterns we ran. The last two seasons RU has jumped our short passes and we didn't even bother countering. The first INT was a joke. Lemon was uncovered and the play took him into the RU D where they were expecting him to be. If we had waited to see how they lined up to call a play, that INT never happens. Scrap the hurry up and go no huddle with Hackett reading the D before calling the play. It is what other teams do and it will help Nassib's decision making.

This is why I think Lemon's return to the lineup somehow hurts us even though he's a good player.

Here's an interesting stat.

When Sales catches 4 or more, the offense averages 391 yards.

When Lemon catches 4 or more, the offense averages 339 yards.

Just so people don't think I'm cherry picking, Sales 5+ catches = 398 yards of offense. Lemon 5+ catches = 349

When Sales catches more than 6, 526 yards of offense. That's only 2 games. When Lemon does, we average 345 (8 games)

Obviously the games i filter out, the more it could be coincidence. But I think Nassib is worse at making progressions when he has Lemon around. This not a knock on Lemon - what is he supposed to do about that?

Lemon caught 7 passes when the offense was good this year. He caught 14 when the offense stunk. Last game, we had a bunch of yards and he only had 3 receptions.