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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 2150311, member: 40"] Conically wrong. Logic, data, and empirical evidence is why the ACC was considered the best conference. Borne out by an ACC team that was a #1 seed winning the championship. Since the WCC did not have said logic, data backing that up, nor empirical evidence to make the claim that they were the second beset conference, then no -- they wouldn't be considered the second best conference because their team finished as runner up. That is flawed Pat Forde logic that is akin to a weak straw man argument. Now who's embarrassing themselves? You're investing a lot of wasted time, energy, and effort making end around arguments when it would be far easier to just admit that you were wrong, and acknowledge that the ACC got it done despite a few lower seeds not playing to seed. At the end of the day, who freaking cares? Hand wringing about Miami, Wake Forest, and some of those others is what is embarrassing. [/QUOTE]