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Message: [QUOTE="Knicks411, post: 3057253, member: 767"] Did they? They were better (about 1.2 points per 100, not a ton, but better) when he was off the court vs on the court. In his 8 years in the league, his team has been better with him on the bench 7 times out of 8. In 2017, and I believe this was the birth of Billy Donovan saying "can't play him"), he played 45 minutes in the playoffs and they were outscored by 33 points per 100. 33!! [/QUOTE]