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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 1423467, member: 237"] So all stars are your benchmark? In fairness you are moving the goalposts quite frequently here. Additionally i think you are setting unrealistic expectations as well. When you say a program of our stature and then don't reference other schools it does not really say much. We have one title and multiple final fours. We also are not duke unc or kentucky in that we can bring the number one draft pick with a single phone call. Its a private school in the rust belt thats a cold climate with the carrier dome, history (JB etc)and connection to nyc being highlights. But considering nba players as a measure of success you would have to give ucla a huge bump yet they have been an enigma and a mess for a while now with flickers of brilliance. They have more all stars than SU.. Along with a prime location and a handful of coaches... Btw.. I know you are into accuracy.. Dc was drafted in 90 and an allstar in 94. [/QUOTE]