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Here are the Top 25 NBA players, as reflected by “Net Points”, which is computed by adding the positive statistics in the box score, (points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks) and subtracting the negatives, (missed field goals and free throws, turnovers and fouls committed). I’ve ranked them by totals rather than rates but I’ve averaged each stat per 48 minutes and then added up the averages to get the NP per 48. Next to that is t he ‘OE’ or offensive efficiency, (points – missed field goals and free throws) and ‘FG’ for floor game, (NP – OE).
Nikola Jokić, Denver
2,671NP 38.8p 19.8r 11.3a 2.1s 1.2b – 10.6mfg 1.7mft 5.4to 3.7pf = 51.8NP 28.2OE 23.6FG
Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee
2,131NP 43.6p 16.9r 8.5a 1.6s 2.0b – 12.1mfg 4.6mft 4.8to 4.6pf = 46.5NP 26.9OE 19.6FG
Joel Embiid, Philadelphia
2,113NP 43.4p 16.6r 5.9a 1.6s 2.1b – 14.0mfg 3.1mfgt 4.5to 3.8pf = 44.2NP 26.3OE 17.9FG
Trae Young, Atlanta
1,944NP 39.0p 5.1r 13.3a 1.3s 0.1b – 15.1mfg 1.0mfgt 5.5tp 2.3pf = 34.9NP 22.9OE 12.0FG
Karl-Anthony Towns, Minnesota
1,826NP 35.2p 14.1r 5.2a 1.4s 1.6b – 11.1mfg 1.6mft 4.4to 5.2pf = 35.2NP 22.5OE 12.7FG
Jayson Tatum, Boston
1,797NP 36.0p 10.7r 5.9a 1.3s 0.9b – 15.0mfg 1.2mft 3.8to 3.1pf = 31.7NP 19.8OE 11.9FG
Luka Dončić, Dallas
1,795NP 38.5p 12.3r 11.8a 1.6s 0.8b – 15.8mfg 2.6mft 6.1to 3.0pf = 37.5NP 20.1OE 17.4FG
DeMar DeRozan, Chicago
1,783NP 37.1p 6.9r 6.5a 1.2s 0.4b – 13.3mfg 1.3mft 3.2to 3.1pf = 31.2NP 22.5OE 8.7FG
Dejounte Murray, San Antonio
1,752NP 29.2p 11.4r 12.7a 2.8s 0.5b – 13.6mfg 1.0mft 3.7to 2.8pf = 35.5NP 14.6OE 20.9FG
Rudy Gobert, Utah
1,672NP 23.3p 21.9r 1.6a 1.0s 3.1b – 3.3mfg 3.1mft 2.7to 4.0pf = 37.8NP 16.9OE 20.9FG
LeBron James, LA Lakers
1,655NP 39.0p 10.6r 8.0a 1.7s 1.4b – 13.4mfg 1.9mft 4.5to 2.8pf = 38.1NP 23.7OE 14.4FG
James Harden, Brooklyn/Philadelphia
1,636NP 28.4p 9.9r 13.2a 1.6s 0.7b – 11.6mfg 1.3mft 5.6to 3.0pf = 32.3NP 15.5OE 16.8FG
Kevin Durant, Brooklyn
1,623NP 38.5p 9.5r 8.2a 1.1s 1.2b – 12.6mfg 0.9mft 4.5to 2.6pf = 37.9NP 25.0OE 12.9FG
Miles Bridges, Charlotte
1,586NP 27.3p 9.5r 5.1a 1.3s 1.1b – 10.5mfg 1.1mft 2.5to 3.3pf = 26.9NP 15.7OE 11.2FG
Jonas Valančiūnas, New Orleans
1,542NP 28.2p 18.1r 4.1a 0.9s 1.3b – 9.2mfg 1.1mft 3.8to 5.3pf = 33.2NP 17.9OE 15.3FG
Domantas Sabonis, Indiana/Sacramento
1,518NP 26.3p 11.9r 7.3a 1.3s 0.6b – 7.4mfg 1.9mft 4.4to 4.6pf = 34.1NP 17.0OE 17.1FG
Nikola Vučević, Chicago
1,514NP 28.8p 10.8r 6.7a 1.6s 0.8b – 11.3mfg 1.8mft 3.4to 4.2pf = 28.0NP 15.7OE 12.3FG
Pascal Siakam, Toronto
1,506NP 25.6p 16.0r 4.7a 1.4s 1.4b – 12.1mfg 0.6mft 2.7to 3.6pf = 30.1NP 12.9OE 17.2FG
LaMelo Ball, Charlotte
1,500NP 29.9p 9.9r 11.3a 2.4s 0.6b – 14.2mfg 0.6mft 4.9to 4.7pf = 29.7NP 15.1OE 14.6FG
Tyrese Haliburton, Indiana
1,474NP 21.0p 5.5r 11.2a 2.4s 0.9b – 8.5mfg 0.5mft 3.5to 2.2pf = 26.3NP 12.0OE 14.3FG
Devin Booker, Phoenix
1,447NP 37.3p 7.0r 6.7a 1.6s 0.5b – 15.5mfg 1.0mft 3.3to 3.7pf = 29.6NP 20.8OE 8.8FG
Zach LaVine, Chicago
1,429NP 33.7p 6.4r 6.2a 0.8s 0.5b – 12.8mfg 1.1mft 3.5to 2.5pf = 27.7NP 19.8OE 7.9FG
Clint Capela, Atlanta
1,404NP 19.3p 20.6r 2.2a 1.3s 2.2b – 5.5mfg 2.1mft 1.0to 3.9pf = 33.1NP 11.7OE 21.4FG
Ja Morant, Memphis
1,385NP 39.7p 8.3r 9.8a 1.7s 0.6b – 15.2mfg 2.5mft 5.0to 2.2pf = 35.2NP 22.0OE 13.2FG
Chris Paul, Phoenix
1,391NP 21.5p 6.4r 15.8a 2.7s 0.4b – 8.4mfg 0.7mft 3.4to 3.0pf = 31.3NP 12.4OE 18.9FG
Comments: Nikola Jokić’s NP/48 of 51.8 broke a record that had lasted for 60 years. Wilt Chamberlain’s most prolific statistical season was 1961-62, when he became the only NBA player to ever average 50 points a game. His NP/48 that year was 50.3, which had been the highest ever. In Wilt’s time they didn’t keep track of steals, blocks or turnovers. None of those are “big ticket items” among statistics and they often cancel each other out. But it’s possible that Wilt’s full Net Points, if we knew them would still be ahead of Jokić’s, although if we went in the opposite direction and eliminated Nicola’s steals, blocks and turnovers, his NP/48 actually rises to 53.9.
Here are their available numbers, side-by-side:
Nikola Jokić, Denver, 2021-22
2,671NP 38.8p 19.8r 11.3a 2.1s 1.2b – 10.6mfg 1.7mft 5.4to 3.7pf = 51.8NP 28.2OE 23.6FG
Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia, 1961-62
4,060NP 49.8p 25.4r 2.4a – 19.3mfg 6.5mft 1.5pf = 50.3NP 24.0OE 26.3FG
Note: Wilt played 3,882 minutes in 1961-62, Jokić 2,476 minutes in 2021-22. Wilt averaged less per 48 minutes than he did per game because he played an average of 48.5 minutes per game due to overtimes. Maybe that’s his most spectacular number. There have been, of course, many changes in the way the game is played and the way it’s called in the last 60 years. There has also been a lot of changes in the size and athleticism of the players. The statistics have changed as well, with the big factor being fewer possessions, fewer missed shots and thus fewer rebounds.
Is Nikola Jokić a better player than Wilt Chamberlain was? My knee-jerk reaction is that that can’t be true but then, I’m a child of the 60’s and I’m probably biased. But a much younger fans might think that nobody from the 60’s could compete with the players we have now. I think that games advance but there are always players from the past who would be great players now and it is at least possible that the greatest players of the past, Babe Ruth, Jim Brown, Wilt Chamberlain, Wayne Gretzky, etc. might still be the GOATS of their sport. They certainly dominated their time more than the top players do now.
Wilt:
Nikola:
We've Never Seen Anything Like Nikola Jokic
I’m fascinated by the number of foreign players in the rankings. Here is a list, (abit from last season) of the foreign players in the NBA:
NBA rosters feature 107 international players from 41 countries
From our current list:
Joel Embiid and Pascal Siakam are from Cameroon
Rudy Gobert is from France
Giannis Antetokounmpo is from Greece
Domantas Sabonis and Jonas Valančiūnas are from Lithuania
Nikola Vučević is from Montenegro
Nikola Jokić is from Serbia
Luka Dončić is from Slovenia
Clint Capela is from Switzerland
I had wondered if any were from the Ukraine. The NBA does have a couple of Ukrainian players. Alex Len and Svi Mykhailiuk but they didn’t make our list.
As usual, no former Syracuse University players made the list. Here are the former SU players who played in the NBA this season:
Carmelo Anthony
818NP 24.6p 7.7r 1.8a 1.3s 1.4b – 10.8mfg 0.7mft 1.6to 4.4pf = 19.3NP 13.1OE 6.2FG
Oshae Brissett
598NP 18.9p 11.0r 2.2a 1.4s 0.9b – 9.1mfg 1.5mft 1.7to 3.6pf = 18.4NP 8.2OE 10.2FG
Jerami Grant
669NP 28.9p 6.1r 3.6a 1.4s 1.6b – 12.8mfg 1.3mft 2.7to 3.4pf = 21.4NP 14.8OE 6.6FG
Elijah Hughes
36NP 15.4p 6.1r 2.1a 1.4s 0.4b – 7.5mfg 0.0mft 2.5to 2.5pf = 12.9NP 7.9OE 5.0FRG
Carmelo’s days of being on this list have been over for a while. Elijah, as yet, is a borderline NBA player. Will Oshae or Jerami ever make the list? Jerami seems to have the best shot. I doubt anyone on this year’s roster will make it someday. Will any of the 6 freshmen or anyone we’re trying to recruit for future season ever make it? Stay tuned…
Nikola Jokić, Denver
2,671NP 38.8p 19.8r 11.3a 2.1s 1.2b – 10.6mfg 1.7mft 5.4to 3.7pf = 51.8NP 28.2OE 23.6FG
Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee
2,131NP 43.6p 16.9r 8.5a 1.6s 2.0b – 12.1mfg 4.6mft 4.8to 4.6pf = 46.5NP 26.9OE 19.6FG
Joel Embiid, Philadelphia
2,113NP 43.4p 16.6r 5.9a 1.6s 2.1b – 14.0mfg 3.1mfgt 4.5to 3.8pf = 44.2NP 26.3OE 17.9FG
Trae Young, Atlanta
1,944NP 39.0p 5.1r 13.3a 1.3s 0.1b – 15.1mfg 1.0mfgt 5.5tp 2.3pf = 34.9NP 22.9OE 12.0FG
Karl-Anthony Towns, Minnesota
1,826NP 35.2p 14.1r 5.2a 1.4s 1.6b – 11.1mfg 1.6mft 4.4to 5.2pf = 35.2NP 22.5OE 12.7FG
Jayson Tatum, Boston
1,797NP 36.0p 10.7r 5.9a 1.3s 0.9b – 15.0mfg 1.2mft 3.8to 3.1pf = 31.7NP 19.8OE 11.9FG
Luka Dončić, Dallas
1,795NP 38.5p 12.3r 11.8a 1.6s 0.8b – 15.8mfg 2.6mft 6.1to 3.0pf = 37.5NP 20.1OE 17.4FG
DeMar DeRozan, Chicago
1,783NP 37.1p 6.9r 6.5a 1.2s 0.4b – 13.3mfg 1.3mft 3.2to 3.1pf = 31.2NP 22.5OE 8.7FG
Dejounte Murray, San Antonio
1,752NP 29.2p 11.4r 12.7a 2.8s 0.5b – 13.6mfg 1.0mft 3.7to 2.8pf = 35.5NP 14.6OE 20.9FG
Rudy Gobert, Utah
1,672NP 23.3p 21.9r 1.6a 1.0s 3.1b – 3.3mfg 3.1mft 2.7to 4.0pf = 37.8NP 16.9OE 20.9FG
LeBron James, LA Lakers
1,655NP 39.0p 10.6r 8.0a 1.7s 1.4b – 13.4mfg 1.9mft 4.5to 2.8pf = 38.1NP 23.7OE 14.4FG
James Harden, Brooklyn/Philadelphia
1,636NP 28.4p 9.9r 13.2a 1.6s 0.7b – 11.6mfg 1.3mft 5.6to 3.0pf = 32.3NP 15.5OE 16.8FG
Kevin Durant, Brooklyn
1,623NP 38.5p 9.5r 8.2a 1.1s 1.2b – 12.6mfg 0.9mft 4.5to 2.6pf = 37.9NP 25.0OE 12.9FG
Miles Bridges, Charlotte
1,586NP 27.3p 9.5r 5.1a 1.3s 1.1b – 10.5mfg 1.1mft 2.5to 3.3pf = 26.9NP 15.7OE 11.2FG
Jonas Valančiūnas, New Orleans
1,542NP 28.2p 18.1r 4.1a 0.9s 1.3b – 9.2mfg 1.1mft 3.8to 5.3pf = 33.2NP 17.9OE 15.3FG
Domantas Sabonis, Indiana/Sacramento
1,518NP 26.3p 11.9r 7.3a 1.3s 0.6b – 7.4mfg 1.9mft 4.4to 4.6pf = 34.1NP 17.0OE 17.1FG
Nikola Vučević, Chicago
1,514NP 28.8p 10.8r 6.7a 1.6s 0.8b – 11.3mfg 1.8mft 3.4to 4.2pf = 28.0NP 15.7OE 12.3FG
Pascal Siakam, Toronto
1,506NP 25.6p 16.0r 4.7a 1.4s 1.4b – 12.1mfg 0.6mft 2.7to 3.6pf = 30.1NP 12.9OE 17.2FG
LaMelo Ball, Charlotte
1,500NP 29.9p 9.9r 11.3a 2.4s 0.6b – 14.2mfg 0.6mft 4.9to 4.7pf = 29.7NP 15.1OE 14.6FG
Tyrese Haliburton, Indiana
1,474NP 21.0p 5.5r 11.2a 2.4s 0.9b – 8.5mfg 0.5mft 3.5to 2.2pf = 26.3NP 12.0OE 14.3FG
Devin Booker, Phoenix
1,447NP 37.3p 7.0r 6.7a 1.6s 0.5b – 15.5mfg 1.0mft 3.3to 3.7pf = 29.6NP 20.8OE 8.8FG
Zach LaVine, Chicago
1,429NP 33.7p 6.4r 6.2a 0.8s 0.5b – 12.8mfg 1.1mft 3.5to 2.5pf = 27.7NP 19.8OE 7.9FG
Clint Capela, Atlanta
1,404NP 19.3p 20.6r 2.2a 1.3s 2.2b – 5.5mfg 2.1mft 1.0to 3.9pf = 33.1NP 11.7OE 21.4FG
Ja Morant, Memphis
1,385NP 39.7p 8.3r 9.8a 1.7s 0.6b – 15.2mfg 2.5mft 5.0to 2.2pf = 35.2NP 22.0OE 13.2FG
Chris Paul, Phoenix
1,391NP 21.5p 6.4r 15.8a 2.7s 0.4b – 8.4mfg 0.7mft 3.4to 3.0pf = 31.3NP 12.4OE 18.9FG
Comments: Nikola Jokić’s NP/48 of 51.8 broke a record that had lasted for 60 years. Wilt Chamberlain’s most prolific statistical season was 1961-62, when he became the only NBA player to ever average 50 points a game. His NP/48 that year was 50.3, which had been the highest ever. In Wilt’s time they didn’t keep track of steals, blocks or turnovers. None of those are “big ticket items” among statistics and they often cancel each other out. But it’s possible that Wilt’s full Net Points, if we knew them would still be ahead of Jokić’s, although if we went in the opposite direction and eliminated Nicola’s steals, blocks and turnovers, his NP/48 actually rises to 53.9.
Here are their available numbers, side-by-side:
Nikola Jokić, Denver, 2021-22
2,671NP 38.8p 19.8r 11.3a 2.1s 1.2b – 10.6mfg 1.7mft 5.4to 3.7pf = 51.8NP 28.2OE 23.6FG
Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia, 1961-62
4,060NP 49.8p 25.4r 2.4a – 19.3mfg 6.5mft 1.5pf = 50.3NP 24.0OE 26.3FG
Note: Wilt played 3,882 minutes in 1961-62, Jokić 2,476 minutes in 2021-22. Wilt averaged less per 48 minutes than he did per game because he played an average of 48.5 minutes per game due to overtimes. Maybe that’s his most spectacular number. There have been, of course, many changes in the way the game is played and the way it’s called in the last 60 years. There has also been a lot of changes in the size and athleticism of the players. The statistics have changed as well, with the big factor being fewer possessions, fewer missed shots and thus fewer rebounds.
Is Nikola Jokić a better player than Wilt Chamberlain was? My knee-jerk reaction is that that can’t be true but then, I’m a child of the 60’s and I’m probably biased. But a much younger fans might think that nobody from the 60’s could compete with the players we have now. I think that games advance but there are always players from the past who would be great players now and it is at least possible that the greatest players of the past, Babe Ruth, Jim Brown, Wilt Chamberlain, Wayne Gretzky, etc. might still be the GOATS of their sport. They certainly dominated their time more than the top players do now.
Wilt:
Nikola:
We've Never Seen Anything Like Nikola Jokic
I’m fascinated by the number of foreign players in the rankings. Here is a list, (abit from last season) of the foreign players in the NBA:
NBA rosters feature 107 international players from 41 countries
From our current list:
Joel Embiid and Pascal Siakam are from Cameroon
Rudy Gobert is from France
Giannis Antetokounmpo is from Greece
Domantas Sabonis and Jonas Valančiūnas are from Lithuania
Nikola Vučević is from Montenegro
Nikola Jokić is from Serbia
Luka Dončić is from Slovenia
Clint Capela is from Switzerland
I had wondered if any were from the Ukraine. The NBA does have a couple of Ukrainian players. Alex Len and Svi Mykhailiuk but they didn’t make our list.
As usual, no former Syracuse University players made the list. Here are the former SU players who played in the NBA this season:
Carmelo Anthony
818NP 24.6p 7.7r 1.8a 1.3s 1.4b – 10.8mfg 0.7mft 1.6to 4.4pf = 19.3NP 13.1OE 6.2FG
Oshae Brissett
598NP 18.9p 11.0r 2.2a 1.4s 0.9b – 9.1mfg 1.5mft 1.7to 3.6pf = 18.4NP 8.2OE 10.2FG
Jerami Grant
669NP 28.9p 6.1r 3.6a 1.4s 1.6b – 12.8mfg 1.3mft 2.7to 3.4pf = 21.4NP 14.8OE 6.6FG
Elijah Hughes
36NP 15.4p 6.1r 2.1a 1.4s 0.4b – 7.5mfg 0.0mft 2.5to 2.5pf = 12.9NP 7.9OE 5.0FRG
Carmelo’s days of being on this list have been over for a while. Elijah, as yet, is a borderline NBA player. Will Oshae or Jerami ever make the list? Jerami seems to have the best shot. I doubt anyone on this year’s roster will make it someday. Will any of the 6 freshmen or anyone we’re trying to recruit for future season ever make it? Stay tuned…
