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Message: [QUOTE="Knicks411, post: 3660332, member: 767"] Yeah agree you can't put Oden up with those guys, since he never reached an elite level like they did. And the game was evolving past one in which his type of player would have thrived. In his 2 "healthy" years, his per 36 minute numbers were pretty damn good though; 15-12 with 2 blocks on 58% shooting. Grant Hill is crazy to me because the guy basically became an iron man at the end of his career in Phoenix. From 2008-11, he missed 3 games in 3 seasons. And the year before he played 70, and the year after 49 out of 66. And he was playing 30 MPG; so he wasn't carrying a full starters load, but he was playing a lot. And he was good! [/QUOTE]