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Message: [QUOTE="Knicks411, post: 4016575, member: 767"] The only scenario I'm taking Kyrie over Dame is if I also get Kyrie's teammates over the last decade instead of Dame's. Unless I'm misreading BBref (very possible!) Kyrie has never even placed in MVP voting once in his whole career. (Julius Randle, for reference, placed last year) For further color, in the years Dame finished second team all NBA, here are the guys who finished above him and the guy who made second team with him 15-16: Steph and Russell Westbrook (Chris Paul second team) 18-19: Harden and Steph (to be fair, Kyrie made second team this year) 19-20: Harden and Luka (Chris Paul second team) 20-21: Steph and Luka (Chris Paul second team) He's being beaten out by all time greats (well, there was the one Westbrook year...) and he's generally on a second team with another all time great. The guy is consistently in the company of legendary players [/QUOTE]