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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 4259603, member: 237"] Yeah you are conflating my point a little though. My point was the value to the franchise not the player as ranked. I sort of was getting to the longevity aspect in my last post. I mean Melo goes to Detroit and wins 3 rings or so and also is the same HOF player he is now... he is looked at differently in the larger scheme ranking wise but that isnt the point i was driving at. In terms of a franchise that had nothing going for it- he was huge. Even if he never had two MVP years or best ever statistical years in the NBA. Let's not also forget that 6-11 290 does a lot for you too when you have elite skills to go with. Anyways if Jokic can do it 6 more years even and not even win a ring but get them back to the wcfs a couple times then crown him sure. For now it's underselling Melo as to what he meant to Denver while there and after. [/QUOTE]