NCAA proposal will expand recruiting classes for 2022

[OrangeXtreme]

A temporary waiver allowing college football programs to sign more than 25 players in a recruiting class as a means of replacing outgoing transfers could be passed next month. The proposal, which allows programs to sign up to seven additional players in a class to replace up to seven transfers. sets the stage for a permanent rule change that would make life easier for coaches.

The measure won't come up for discussion until the Oct 5-6 meeting of the NCAA Council, chair Shane Lyons told CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd. Still, it comes amid a massive change within college sports. This spring, the NCAA gave the green light to Division I athletes in sports such as football and basketball to transfer once without sitting out a season.

 

[upperdeck]

so 25 Fr but also up to 32 if you have transfers.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

so 25 Fr but also up to 32 if you have transfers.

We're back to a hard cap of 85 total for 2022.

 

[Consigliere]

We're back to a hard cap of 85 total for 2022.

Which kind of makes tis a half of a solution, right? I believe we only have 7 players on our current roster exhausting eligibility this year and are currnelty about 6 below the 85 player limit so with 0 attrition we can only take 13 in this class. Obviously there will be attrition but will be tough for schools to open up 25 slots and stay at 85 total let alone 32. This will impact schools where there may be a mass exodus do to a coaching or scheme change and potentially the top programs who can give non-performing underclassmen "the talk" to open up spots for transfers or five star level players from the class of '22. This should have been done with a gradual reduction in total scholarships to the level of 85.

 

[SUDadx2]

We have already had attrition; Morris and Labrosse. And there will likely be more.

This is a good rule to address the “roster churn” that was discussed a few months ago.

 

[Consigliere]

Included the most recent departures in my numbers an agreement there will be more. My point is that there are an additional 10 players on the roster who would be in their last year that have the option to return in 2022. Everyone that does, and not all will, counts toward the 85 scholarship limit and essentially takes the spot of a 2021 HS graduate. Multiply that by the number of D1 schools and you have over 1000 D1 football scholarships that cannot be offered to HS seniors. I would like to see the NCAA raise the 85 temporarily - perhaps 95 next year, 90 in 2023 then back to 85.
I agree the bump in annual new counters helps mitigate transfer churn but it is a halfway measure.

 

[AngryOtto]

To me this rule only helps the big time programs. Now Alabama can get rid of more kids that are not working out and take more 4 and 5 stars to fill their spots.

 

[PhatOrange]

To me this rule only helps the big time programs. Now Alabama can get rid of more kids that are not working out and take more 4 and 5 stars to fill their spots.

Thats fine. Their castoffs are still better we should try and get a few.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[CuseLegacy]

NCAA D-I Council approves 1-year signing limits waiver to account for transfers

The NCAA D-I Council approved a one-year waiver of initial counter limits to allow schools to replace up to seven football transfers.

theathletic.com

The NCAA’s Division I Council voted Tuesday to approve a one-year waiver that will allow college football programs to increase the 2022 signing class limit by up to seven additional spots. The decision will officially take effect at the conclusion of Wednesday’s council meeting.

The waiver was initially proposed to help coaches with roster management months after the NCAA passed the one-time transfer rule, which allows all athletes to transfer once and play right away without penalty. That, coupled with the implementation of the transfer portal in 2018, has made it easier than ever for players to move freely around the sport. Coaches have asked for guardrails and relief to try to restock their rosters and have some semblance of control.

"We believe schools should have temporary flexibility to help address possible roster depletion due to transfers," said Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour, the chair of the Division I Football Oversight Committee. "This one-year waiver enables schools to properly utilize their scholarship limitations."

Current NCAA rules allow programs to sign up to 25 players in a new football signing class — termed “initial counters” — which includes high school players and transfers. Each FBS program also has a maximum of 85 total scholarship players. This means a coach could lose players to graduation and the transfer portal and then sign 25 initial counters but still be below the 85-scholarship player maximum.

This waiver will allow those programs to replace up to seven departing transfers above the 25-player limit. Schools will only be allowed to replace players who enter the portal after either the end of the institution’s fall term or Dec. 15, 2021, whichever is earlier, a source told The Athletic. Schools will only be allowed to replace players who are academically eligible at their new school.

 

[AngryOtto]

Just means penn st and other big programs will take more 4 and 5 star recruits. Encourages them to push out players that did not meet expectations to free up the 7 spots.

 

[DMDMD]

Schools will only be allowed to replace players who enter the portal after either the end of the institution’s fall term or Dec. 15, 2021,

Sooooo, we don't get extra roster spots for Howard or Taj. Super.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Sooooo, we don't get extra roster spots for Howard or Taj. Super.

Early Signing Day is Dec 15.

If someone transfers after the 15th, one of the 7 extra spots comes into play.

Anyone transferring before the 15th would be replaced like any graduating Senior, with one of the 25 spots for the next class.

As it stands right now, we can't even use all 25 spots before we hit the 85 player limit.

 

[DMDMD]

Early Signing Day is Dec 15.

If someone transfers after the 15th, one of the 7 extra spots comes into play.

Anyone transferring before the 15th would be replaced like any graduating Senior, with one of the 25 spots for the next class.

I can see that, I suppose, though that doesn't really address this stated rationale: Current NCAA rules allow programs to sign up to 25 players in a new football signing class — termed “initial counters” — which includes high school players and transfers. Each FBS program also has a maximum of 85 total scholarship players. This means a coach could lose players to graduation and the transfer portal and then sign 25 initial counters but still be below the 85-scholarship player maximum.

 

[orangeinohio]

So, say a team wants to get rid of some scholarship players.
What can colleges really do to force players to transfer or quit?

Is a football scholarship a four year scholarship or four one-year scholarships that are considered guaranteed but may not actually be guaranteed?

Doesn't a scholarship player have the right to continue to stay on the team, if he wants?
If I'm a football player on Alabama but I'm not getting playing time and probably won't get much PT during my college career, I might still want to graduate from Alabama.

 

[CuseLegacy]

So, say a team wants to get rid of some scholarship players.
What can colleges really do to force players to transfer or quit?

Is a football scholarship a four year scholarship or four one-year scholarships that are considered guaranteed but may not actually be guaranteed?

Doesn't a scholarship player have the right to continue to stay on the team, if he wants?
If I'm a football player on Alabama but I'm not getting playing time and probably won't get much PT during my college career, I might still want to graduate from Alabama.

Football scholarships in the ACC are for four years.

 

[orange79]

Is a football scholarship a four year scholarship or four one-year scholarships that are considered guaranteed but may not actually be guaranteed?

Scholarships used to be year to year. You could have your scholarship renewed, or not.

That changed 2 (?) years ago and scholarships became 4-year commitments by the school.

Of course, there are other ways to get a player to consider moving on.

 

[orangeinohio]

Scholarships used to be year to year. You could have your scholarship renewed, or not.

That changed 2 (?) years ago and scholarships became 4-year commitments by the school.

Of course, there are other ways to get a player to consider moving on. View attachment 207815

Might be a struggle in some situations.

 

[sufandu]

Might be a struggle in some situations.

Kids wanna play. If a coach makes it clear that's not gonna happen, they'll think harder about moving on. Tell an upperclassman he's gonna be scout team fodder but never see the field and he'll probably find a new home.

 

[Chip]

This is how I picture the NCAA meeting where they keep coming up with this stuff.

 

[SUDadx2]

I like the additional 7 spots to address the roster churn created by players entering the portal. However I think they missed the mark with the December 15th restriction.

• Cuse has already lost at least three scholarship players since camp opened in August (Morris, Labrosse and Harris).
• If we do not go to a bowl game, our season will end on November 27th, 18 days before December 15th.

As I understand it, the December 15th restriction will not allow Cuse to use one of the 7 additional spots to replace any player who has already left the team or any player who may decide to leave after the season, but before December 15th.

Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

This waiver will allow those programs to replace up to seven departing transfers above the 25-player limit. Schools will only be allowed to replace players who enter the portal after either the end of the institution’s fall term (Dec 17, 2021) or Dec. 15, 2021, whichever is earlier.