ND wants to triple its football rights fees

[elimunelson]

A potential third conference...As I've said ad nauseum, stick close to ND. That's where we will land safely in any super conference shuffle. They are a safe harbor for Syracuse ultimately.

Notre Dame Wants To Triple Its Football Media Rights Fees

Notre Dame is looking triple its football media rights fees. But will the Fighting Irish have to join a power conference to accomplish it?

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[SU94]

A potential third conference...As I've said ad nauseum, stick close to ND. That's where we will land safely in any super conference shuffle. They are a safe harbor for Syracuse ultimately.

Notre Dame Wants To Triple Its Football Media Rights Fees

Notre Dame is looking triple its football media rights fees. But will the Fighting Irish have to join a power conference to accomplish it?

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I don't disagree, but to be fair, it is hard to stay close to The Domers when they are so fiercely independent.

Bevacqua and Wildhack are going to be drawn to one another with their shared TV background.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The money isn't there for a 3rd conference. Even if you took the 15 best ACC/B12/P12 teams how do you get on par with the B16 and SEC? You need to be on par because those schools won't choose the new ND conference over the B16/SEC invite.

If you are talking a leftover conference, there still is not enough money. Those schools would need to make as much as the current B12 does or they have no incentive to join ND. The money for that is likely there. However, how does ND get to $75M a year? If they cannot get that figure as an Indy playing top teams, how can they get that playing leftovers?

If/When ND Indy FB plus ACC non FB is not enough for them, they have to join the B16 or SEC.

 

[elimunelson]

The money isn't there for a 3rd conference. Even if you took the 15 best ACC/B12/P12 teams how do you get on par with the B16 and SEC? You need to be on par because those schools won't choose the new ND conference over the B16/SEC invite.

If you are talking a leftover conference, there still is not enough money. Those schools would need to make as much as the current B12 does or they have no incentive to join ND. The money for that is likely there. However, how does ND get to $75M a year? If they cannot get that figure as an Indy playing top teams, how can they get that playing leftovers?

If/When ND Indy FB plus ACC non FB is not enough for them, they have to join the B16 or SEC.

I think WIldhack and Bevacqua are going to look at this more holistically than we are. ND will remain independent is my guess. Syracuse/BC/Pitt will be certainly on the outside looking in and i'm sure the Big East basketball will want a seat at a table too in whatever reconstitutes.

I have a feeling when the dust settles we'll be situated near them and will be playing games on NBC in the mid 2030s. You cannot survive with two mega conferences. Too many mouths to feed and the product will suffer from a television perspective.

So many known unknowns. ND is going to remain independent and will get a much bigger bag of money no matter what. They are the country's national team. As an aside I was in the Shannon Airport on Monday and the entire gift shop was promoting the ND game in Dublin. They matter. Alot.

 

[cusefan88]

With NBC splurging for Big Ten rights I don't see them making a seismic increase for ND.

 

[MadNY3]

A potential third conference...As I've said ad nauseum, stick close to ND. That's where we will land safely in any super conference shuffle. They are a safe harbor for Syracuse ultimately.

Notre Dame Wants To Triple Its Football Media Rights Fees

Notre Dame is looking triple its football media rights fees. But will the Fighting Irish have to join a power conference to accomplish it?

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The writer, Michael McCarthy, is quite tapped in.

But ND is not getting that money, unless they agree to a dev share deal with NBC on its Peacock app and push more games exclusively to that.

Problem there is Peacock lost billions last year. And the incoming AD knows that so he’s doing a campaign to drum up bigger bidder interest to show he’s not an NBC loyalist.

Not sure how this plays out, but Notre Lame’s independence bravado will back it into a corner at some point.

 

[kcsu]

The money isn't there for a 3rd conference. Even if you took the 15 best ACC/B12/P12 teams how do you get on par with the B16 and SEC? You need to be on par because those schools won't choose the new ND conference over the B16/SEC invite.

If you are talking a leftover conference, there still is not enough money. Those schools would need to make as much as the current B12 does or they have no incentive to join ND. The money for that is likely there. However, how does ND get to $75M a year? If they cannot get that figure as an Indy playing top teams, how can they get that playing leftovers?

If/When ND Indy FB plus ACC non FB is not enough for them, they have to join the B16 or SEC.

pay them more to join the ACC. each team gives up x to give ND the bump they want and the rest of the acc gets a great increase

 

[WoadBlue]

The money isn't there for a 3rd conference. Even if you took the 15 best ACC/B12/P12 teams how do you get on par with the B16 and SEC? You need to be on par because those schools won't choose the new ND conference over the B16/SEC invite.

If you are talking a leftover conference, there still is not enough money. Those schools would need to make as much as the current B12 does or they have no incentive to join ND. The money for that is likely there. However, how does ND get to $75M a year? If they cannot get that figure as an Indy playing top teams, how can they get that playing leftovers?

If/When ND Indy FB plus ACC non FB is not enough for them, they have to join the B16 or SEC.

It's actually more of a possibility than you think. ACC TV numbers are very good - not SEC numbers by any means, but we've often topped Big 12 numbers (with OU and Texas in the Big 12), nd during the Covid season our average TV numbers per game were better than the BT average per game. The was with ND playing a full slate.

What that means is that if the Irish were full football members, and an expanded ACC included the most valuable Pac teams (Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Arizona St, perhaps Arizona), and the ACC dropped total dead weight Wake and BC, then that bi-coastal ACC would deliver very large TV numbers for football, routinely second only to the SEC.

The key to that is ND. Would ND, in deciding to go full football somewhere, choose that or the BT? Most would assume BT.

 

[elimunelson]

pay them more to join the ACC. each team gives up x to give ND the bump they want and the rest of the acc gets a great increase

Def option a but my guess is 4-5 schools are one foot out right now. Once 2030 arrives they are gone.

I think nd capitalized on the remainder and build a nd esque federation of schools.

That’s my point. I also don’t think nd cares if they are 100% of valuation to the bigger schools. They want more money and will get it with their independence as well

 

[Chris02M]

It's actually more of a possibility than you think. ACC TV numbers are very good - not SEC numbers by any means, but we've often topped Big 12 numbers (with OU and Texas in the Big 12), nd during the Covid season our average TV numbers per game were better than the BT average per game. The was with ND playing a full slate.

What that means is that if the Irish were full football members, and an expanded ACC included the most valuable Pac teams (Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Arizona St, perhaps Arizona), and the ACC dropped total dead weight Wake and BC, then that bi-coastal ACC would deliver very large TV numbers for football, routinely second only to the SEC.

The key to that is ND. Would ND, in deciding to go full football somewhere, choose that or the BT? Most would assume BT.

no acc deadweights will be dropped regardless and some teams will leave so no point

 

[Chris02M]

no 1 school deserves 75 mil in football rights as well
I dont see any way NBC will pay that much, maybe they would go to ACC/BIG 12 level payout for just ND but that would be all and would involve some concessions on ND's part

 

[hoopsupstate]

It's actually more of a possibility than you think. ACC TV numbers are very good - not SEC numbers by any means, but we've often topped Big 12 numbers (with OU and Texas in the Big 12), nd during the Covid season our average TV numbers per game were better than the BT average per game. The was with ND playing a full slate.

What that means is that if the Irish were full football members, and an expanded ACC included the most valuable Pac teams (Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Arizona St, perhaps Arizona), and the ACC dropped total dead weight Wake and BC, then that bi-coastal ACC would deliver very large TV numbers for football, routinely second only to the SEC.

The key to that is ND. Would ND, in deciding to go full football somewhere, choose that or the BT? Most would assume BT.

If they drop the dead weight, SU might be first in line. BC and especially, WF have brought a lot more to football in the ACC than SU.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

pay them more to join the ACC. each team gives up x to give ND the bump they want and the rest of the acc gets a great increase

Still not enough money to go around.

First there is no way the ACC schools will agree to take $45M just so ND can get $75M.

Second why would a school like FSU not want a similar deal? Now you got a problem.

Third why would an ACC team not jump at a B16 or SEC offer? There is still a big gap.

 

[CousCuse]

If they drop the dead weight, SU might be first in line. BC and especially, WF have brought a lot more to football in the ACC than SU.

Harsh but true.

 

[elimunelson]

I don't disagree, but to be fair, it is hard to stay close to The Domers when they are so fiercely independent.

Bevacqua and Wildhack are going to be drawn to one another with their shared TV background.

their hoops programs and olympic sports (which matter at both schools) will dictate a relationship going forward. Plus the tv relationships and private school mentality. I just think there's some relationship synergy to keep an eye on. I think BC is in a similar boat. Maybe not with the tv relationships but Syracuse/BC IMO will stick together in whatever ends up

 

[sutomcat]

It's actually more of a possibility than you think. ACC TV numbers are very good - not SEC numbers by any means, but we've often topped Big 12 numbers (with OU and Texas in the Big 12), nd during the Covid season our average TV numbers per game were better than the BT average per game. The was with ND playing a full slate.

What that means is that if the Irish were full football members, and an expanded ACC included the most valuable Pac teams (Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Arizona St, perhaps Arizona), and the ACC dropped total dead weight Wake and BC, then that bi-coastal ACC would deliver very large TV numbers for football, routinely second only to the SEC.

The key to that is ND. Would ND, in deciding to go full football somewhere, choose that or the BT? Most would assume BT.

Agree on this. And maybe an ACC like this that stretches against the country but still has an emphasis on the east and south, would be a better fit for the Irish.

Thank you for not including Syracuse in the dead weight group...

 

[WoadBlue]

If they drop the dead weight, SU might be first in line. BC and especially, WF have brought a lot more to football in the ACC than SU.

You're thinking about Wins. TV does not pay for Wins; TV pays for viewers drawn. FSU actually does good numbers with viewers in the Northeast, any time FSU is good. And FSU chose to play Syracuse annually rather than BC precisely because Syracuse is a bigger TV draw than BC. And that is now, when Syracuse is a long way from the 1990s.

Even in football, Syracuse has an upside that neither Wake nor BC can match. They are the two permanent dead weights in the most important category: drawing fans to watch them play on TV. Even Dook has more upside in that regard.

 

[orangenauburn]

There is an end around for some schools to get even more than SEC and Big10 are getting now.

It involves leap of faith and shady tactics.

Basically, if ND, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Georgia, Bama, Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, UNC, and Michigan State decided to make a 16 team conference, you know they'd draw massive money from a network looking to distribute their product.

It'd peel from SEC, ACC, B10, and ND.

It would decrease the value of the other three conferences.

It'll never happen because the SEC is lock step in stride together through all of this, but it could in theory happen someday.