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Message: [QUOTE="Scooch, post: 456202, member: 628"] Well, look, expansion to 12 was going to happen because the reason to expand was to get to 12 and add a conference championship game. So UNC and Duke's position was at best "principled" but was functionally pointless. With expansion to 12 inevitable UNC and Duke had a choice, either support who they wanted in their club or vote no on principle and leave that decision to the rest of the membership. They knew full well what was going on in Virginia, and how UVA was being told to vote. So by their actions they let VaTech in, which screwed Syracuse. Maybe UNC and Duke secretly wanted VaTech in, maybe they were happy to keep Syracuse out, or maybe they were just stuck on their principles. I have no idea. But it definitely was pointless. *edit* I don't mean to be harsh to you. That was a nice post you made earlier. [/QUOTE]