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This year I’m including net points information with my post game updates but doing monthly posts breaking the information out so we can chart the trends.
Again the formula is to add the “positives”, (points rebounds, assists, blocks and steals) and subtract the “negatives”, (missed field goals, missed free throws, turnovers and fouls) on the theory that all these numbers are, on average worth between 0.5 and 1.5 points and you can summarize a player’s statistical contributions to his team by adding the positives and subtracting the negatives. Of course, there are things not covered by the stats, (getting loose balls- which should be a stat- sneaker to sneaker defense, keeping the ball moving, providing an outlet man for a player surrounded by defenders, the timeliness of things, being a an example and leader off the court, etc), But the most statistically productive players will normally be the best at these other things as well.
In my post game summaries, I’m totaling the net points and multiplying by 40, then dividing by the number of minutes played on the season. I’m adding my numbers up as I go along. In these monthly posts, I’ll multiply each stat by 40/minutes played and then adding and subtracting the result so the numbers might be slightly different due to rounding. I’m also adding two other stats: “Offensive Efficiency“ (OE), which is points minus missed field goals and free throws, and “Floor Game“ (FG), which is rebounds, assists, blocks and steals minus turnovers and fouls. When I do the monthly post, I’ll also review the numbers on the latest game summary vs. the overall numbers on the SU Athletics website to correct any mistakes. Finally I’ve decided to list the best seasons of our most famous players since the 1983-84, (the earliest year for which all the numerical components of the net points formula are available), for comparison purposes. Of course, as we go along, the numbers of the current SU players will become more meaningful as we have a greater sample vs. better opposition.
M= minutes per game the team has played, (If players get injured or suspended, I will use the number of games for which they were available)
P= points per 40 minutes.
R= rebounds per 40 minutes
A= assists per 40 minutes
B= blocks per 40 minutes
S= steals per 40 minutes
+= total of P+R+A+B+S
MFG= missed field goals per 40 minutes
MFT= missed free throws per 40 minutes
TO= turnovers per 40 minutes
PF= personal fouls per 40 minutes
- = total of MFG+MFT+TO+PF
NP= + minus -
OE= P minus MFG+MFT
FG= R+A+S+B minus TO+PF
(This is through the West Virginia game of 1/28/02. Previous numbers were through the Eastern Michigan game of 11/29/11 and the DePaul game of 1/1/02)
CENTERS
Fab Melo (His minutes per game are for 20 games due to his academic suspension- or whatever this is.)
22.6M 12.7P 10.0R 1.2A 0.8S 5.3B = 30.0+ 4.3mfg 1.2mft 2.7to 5.2pf = 13.4- = 16.6NP 7.2OE 9.4FG
Previous numbers:
After December
22.9M 12.5P 9.6R 1.2A 0.9S 5.5B = 29.7+ 4.3MFG 1.3MFT 2.3TO 4.4PF = 12.3- = 17.4NP 6.9OE 10.5FG
After November
21.4M 10.9P 9.6R 1.1A 1.1S 4.8B = 27.5+ 5.1MFG 1.9MFT 2.7TO 5.1PF = 14.8- = 14.8NP 3.9OE 8.8FG
Rakeem Christmas (I’ll list him among the centers for now- I think that‘s what he really is)
12.8M 10.3P 9.9R 0.4A 1.2S 2.6B = 24.4+ 3.3MFG 1.1MFT 2.3TO 6.4PF = 13.1- = 11.3NP 5.9OE 5.4FG
Previous numbers:
After December
12.6M 11.6P 9.3R 0.2A 1.5S 2.5B = 25.1+ 3.0MFG 1.5MFT 3.0TO 6.3PF = 13.8- = 11.3NP 7.1OE 4.2FG
After November
14.9M 11.5P 10.4R 0.4A 1.2S 1.5B = 25.0+ 3.1MFG 0.8MFT 2.7TO 7.6PF = 12.8- = 12.2NP 7.6OE 4.7FG
Baye Moussa Keita
12.9M 8.2P 8.4R 0.3A 0.7S 3.4B = 21.0+ 1.1MFG 0.7MFT 1.2TO 5.8PF = 8.8- = 12.2NP 6.4OE 5.8FG
Previous numbers:
After December
11.5M 10.5P 8.8R 0.5A 0.7S 3.7B = 24.2+ 1.4MFG 1.2MFT 0.9TO 6.0PF = 9.5- = 14.7NP 7.9OE 6.8FG
After November
11.7M 13.7P 10.2R 0.5A 1.0S 3.9B = 29.3+ 0.5MFG 1.5MFT 1.0TO 7.8PF = 10.8- = 18.5NP 11.7OE 6.8FG
Comment: All of our centers are averaging more than 5.0 fouls per 40 minutes of play, which means they couldn’t play 40 minutes without fouling out. That’s not a problem with 3 of them. But with two of them- guys who have been playing an average of 13 minutes between them, we are going to have games like the West Virginia game, where they are both in foul trouble. And all we’ve got beyond them are small forwards. Dashonte Riley, where are you? His numbers at Eastern Michigan aren’t very impressive: 7.9p 7.3r 1.7a 1.4s 3.0b = 21.3+ 4.3mfg 1.0mft 4.9to 4.6pf = 14.8- = 6.5NP 2.6OE 3.9FG. But he would have been another big body we could have used about now.
FORWARDS
Kris Joseph
30.2M 18.1P 6.3R 2.4A 1.8S 0.8B = 29.4+ 7.7MFG 1.2MFT 1.6TO 2.1PF = 12.6 = 16.8NP 9.2OE 7.6FG
Previous numbers:
After December
28.9M 19.4P 7.2R 2.3A 1.8S 0.8B = 31.5+ 8.6MFG 1.0MFT 1.5TO 2.0PF = 13.1- = 18.4NP 9.8OE 8.6FG
After November
27.1M 21.7P 8.4R 1.9A 2.1S 0.2B = 34.3+ 8.2MFG 1.3MFT 1.9TO 2.9PF = 14.3- = 20.0NP 12.2OE 7.8FG
CJ Fair
Previous numbers:
25.1M 13.2P 8.1R 1.4A 1.7S 0.8B = 25.2+ 5.6MFG 1.2MFT 1.4TO 2.0PF = 10.2- = 15.0NP 6.4OE 8.9FG
After December
24.1M 13.5P 8.4R 1.3A 1.9S 0.6B = 25.7+ 5.2MFG 0.7MFT 1.5TO 1.8PF = 9.2- = 16.5NP 7.6OE 8.9FG
After November
24.1M 13.5P 9.9R 1.4A 2.4S 0.7B = 27.9+ 5.2MFG 1.2MFT 1.9TO 1.9PF = 10.2- = 17.7NP 7.1OE 10.6FG
James Southerland
16.7M 18.5P 7.9R 1.0A 2.1S 2.1B = 31.6+ 7.6MFG 0.8MFT 0.9TO 3.0PF = 12.3- = 19.3NP 10.1OE 9.2FG
Previous numbers:
After December
16.3M 20.7P 8.0R 1.6A 2.9S 2.3B = 35.5+ 6.2MFG 1.1MFT 0.8TO 2.1PF = 10.2- = 25.3NP 13.4OE 11.9FG
After November
16.4M 25.7P 8.7R 2.1A 3.8S 1.7B = 42.0+ 6.3MFG 0.3MFT 0.3TO 1.4PF = 8.3- = 33.7NP 19.1OE 14.6FG
Comment: Every one of these player’s numbers have gone down each month. Southerland’s were off the charts and had to come down. With CJ, the biggest drop is in his rebounding numbers. With Kris Joseph, it’s both his scoring and rebounding.
GUARDS
Scoop Jardine
23.0M 14.8P 3.7R 8.6A 2.4S 0.2B = 29.7+ 5.7MFG 1.7MFT 3.5TO 1.4PF = 12.3- = 17.4NP 7.4OE 9.9FG
Previous numbers:
After December
21.3M 16.1P 4.9R 7.3A 3.3S 0.1B = 31.7+ 5.6MFG 1.6MFT 3.9TO 1.3PF = 12.4- = 19.3NP 8.9OE 10.4FG
After November
18.4M 15.2P 2.4R 9.0A 3.7S 0.0B = 30.3+ 6.5MFG 2.5MFT 3.7TO 0.9PF = 13.6- = 16.7NP 6.2OE 10.5FG
Brandon Triche
22.4M 18.3P 4.3R 5.1A 2.3S 0.3B = 30.3+ 7.9MFG 0.5MFT 2.4TO 2.2PF = 13.0- = 17.3NP 9.9OE 8.4FG
Previous numbers:
After December
21.5M 18.3P 4.0R 5.7A 2.1S 0.4B = 30.5+ 8.7MFG 0.5MFT 2.6TO 2.5PF = 14.3- = 16.2NP 9.1OE 7.1FG
After November
21.9M 20.1P 4.4R 6.5A 1.8S 0.5B = 33.3+ 8.6MFG 0.5MFT 3.9TO 2.1PF = 15.1- = 18.2NP 11.0OE 7.2FG
Dion Waiters
22.5M 21.8P 3.2R 4.6A 4.0S 0.7B = 34.3+ 8.6MFG 1.5MFT 2.5TO 2.9PF = 15.5- = 18.8NP 11.7OE 7.1FG
Previous numbers:
After December
21.3M 23.6P 3.1R 5.1A 4.0S 0.5B = 36.3+ 8.0MFG 1.5MFT 2.8TO 2.6PF = 14.9- = 21.4NP 14.1OE 7.3FG
After November
22.4M 21.1P 2.8R 6.1A 4.1S 0.8B = 34.9+ 8.4MFG 1.8MFT 2.3TO 3.3PF = 15.8- = 19.1NP 10.9OE 8.2FG
Michael Carter-Willliams
10.0M 9.3P 5.6R 7.9A 3.0S 1.0B = 26.8+ 5.4MFG 1.6MFT 2.4TO 3.1PF = 12.5- = 14.3NP +2.3OE +12.0FG
Previous numbers:
After December
12.9M 8.5P 5.6R 8.1A 3.1S 1.2B = 26.5+ 5.8MFG 1.7MFT 2.5TO 2.9PF = 13.6- = 13.6NP +1.0OE +12.6FG
After November
13.3M 6.9P 6.0R 7.7A 3.9S 1.3B = 25.8+ 7.3MFG 0.9MFT 3.4TO 3.0PF = 14.6- = 11.2NP -1.3OE 12.5FG
Mookie Jones has left the program and played only 38 minutes this season- my cut off for numbers from past seasons is 100 minutes- so I’m not including his numbers.
Comments: Scoop Jardine’s scoring has gone down but his assists have gone up considerably. He’s learned that he doesn’t have to do things by himself- that he needs to get the ball to his several teammates who can score. But he retains his ability to hit a big jumper from time to time when the defense is concentrating on those teammates. Brandon Triche is getting fewer assists but his scoring level has remained the same- but he’s missing fewer shots. Dion Waiters is scoring less and missing more shots. You want rebounding from the guards? Try Michael Carter Williams.
Again the formula is to add the “positives”, (points rebounds, assists, blocks and steals) and subtract the “negatives”, (missed field goals, missed free throws, turnovers and fouls) on the theory that all these numbers are, on average worth between 0.5 and 1.5 points and you can summarize a player’s statistical contributions to his team by adding the positives and subtracting the negatives. Of course, there are things not covered by the stats, (getting loose balls- which should be a stat- sneaker to sneaker defense, keeping the ball moving, providing an outlet man for a player surrounded by defenders, the timeliness of things, being a an example and leader off the court, etc), But the most statistically productive players will normally be the best at these other things as well.
In my post game summaries, I’m totaling the net points and multiplying by 40, then dividing by the number of minutes played on the season. I’m adding my numbers up as I go along. In these monthly posts, I’ll multiply each stat by 40/minutes played and then adding and subtracting the result so the numbers might be slightly different due to rounding. I’m also adding two other stats: “Offensive Efficiency“ (OE), which is points minus missed field goals and free throws, and “Floor Game“ (FG), which is rebounds, assists, blocks and steals minus turnovers and fouls. When I do the monthly post, I’ll also review the numbers on the latest game summary vs. the overall numbers on the SU Athletics website to correct any mistakes. Finally I’ve decided to list the best seasons of our most famous players since the 1983-84, (the earliest year for which all the numerical components of the net points formula are available), for comparison purposes. Of course, as we go along, the numbers of the current SU players will become more meaningful as we have a greater sample vs. better opposition.
M= minutes per game the team has played, (If players get injured or suspended, I will use the number of games for which they were available)
P= points per 40 minutes.
R= rebounds per 40 minutes
A= assists per 40 minutes
B= blocks per 40 minutes
S= steals per 40 minutes
+= total of P+R+A+B+S
MFG= missed field goals per 40 minutes
MFT= missed free throws per 40 minutes
TO= turnovers per 40 minutes
PF= personal fouls per 40 minutes
- = total of MFG+MFT+TO+PF
NP= + minus -
OE= P minus MFG+MFT
FG= R+A+S+B minus TO+PF
(This is through the West Virginia game of 1/28/02. Previous numbers were through the Eastern Michigan game of 11/29/11 and the DePaul game of 1/1/02)
CENTERS
Fab Melo (His minutes per game are for 20 games due to his academic suspension- or whatever this is.)
22.6M 12.7P 10.0R 1.2A 0.8S 5.3B = 30.0+ 4.3mfg 1.2mft 2.7to 5.2pf = 13.4- = 16.6NP 7.2OE 9.4FG
Previous numbers:
After December
22.9M 12.5P 9.6R 1.2A 0.9S 5.5B = 29.7+ 4.3MFG 1.3MFT 2.3TO 4.4PF = 12.3- = 17.4NP 6.9OE 10.5FG
After November
21.4M 10.9P 9.6R 1.1A 1.1S 4.8B = 27.5+ 5.1MFG 1.9MFT 2.7TO 5.1PF = 14.8- = 14.8NP 3.9OE 8.8FG
Rakeem Christmas (I’ll list him among the centers for now- I think that‘s what he really is)
12.8M 10.3P 9.9R 0.4A 1.2S 2.6B = 24.4+ 3.3MFG 1.1MFT 2.3TO 6.4PF = 13.1- = 11.3NP 5.9OE 5.4FG
Previous numbers:
After December
12.6M 11.6P 9.3R 0.2A 1.5S 2.5B = 25.1+ 3.0MFG 1.5MFT 3.0TO 6.3PF = 13.8- = 11.3NP 7.1OE 4.2FG
After November
14.9M 11.5P 10.4R 0.4A 1.2S 1.5B = 25.0+ 3.1MFG 0.8MFT 2.7TO 7.6PF = 12.8- = 12.2NP 7.6OE 4.7FG
Baye Moussa Keita
12.9M 8.2P 8.4R 0.3A 0.7S 3.4B = 21.0+ 1.1MFG 0.7MFT 1.2TO 5.8PF = 8.8- = 12.2NP 6.4OE 5.8FG
Previous numbers:
After December
11.5M 10.5P 8.8R 0.5A 0.7S 3.7B = 24.2+ 1.4MFG 1.2MFT 0.9TO 6.0PF = 9.5- = 14.7NP 7.9OE 6.8FG
After November
11.7M 13.7P 10.2R 0.5A 1.0S 3.9B = 29.3+ 0.5MFG 1.5MFT 1.0TO 7.8PF = 10.8- = 18.5NP 11.7OE 6.8FG
Comment: All of our centers are averaging more than 5.0 fouls per 40 minutes of play, which means they couldn’t play 40 minutes without fouling out. That’s not a problem with 3 of them. But with two of them- guys who have been playing an average of 13 minutes between them, we are going to have games like the West Virginia game, where they are both in foul trouble. And all we’ve got beyond them are small forwards. Dashonte Riley, where are you? His numbers at Eastern Michigan aren’t very impressive: 7.9p 7.3r 1.7a 1.4s 3.0b = 21.3+ 4.3mfg 1.0mft 4.9to 4.6pf = 14.8- = 6.5NP 2.6OE 3.9FG. But he would have been another big body we could have used about now.
FORWARDS
Kris Joseph
30.2M 18.1P 6.3R 2.4A 1.8S 0.8B = 29.4+ 7.7MFG 1.2MFT 1.6TO 2.1PF = 12.6 = 16.8NP 9.2OE 7.6FG
Previous numbers:
After December
28.9M 19.4P 7.2R 2.3A 1.8S 0.8B = 31.5+ 8.6MFG 1.0MFT 1.5TO 2.0PF = 13.1- = 18.4NP 9.8OE 8.6FG
After November
27.1M 21.7P 8.4R 1.9A 2.1S 0.2B = 34.3+ 8.2MFG 1.3MFT 1.9TO 2.9PF = 14.3- = 20.0NP 12.2OE 7.8FG
CJ Fair
Previous numbers:
25.1M 13.2P 8.1R 1.4A 1.7S 0.8B = 25.2+ 5.6MFG 1.2MFT 1.4TO 2.0PF = 10.2- = 15.0NP 6.4OE 8.9FG
After December
24.1M 13.5P 8.4R 1.3A 1.9S 0.6B = 25.7+ 5.2MFG 0.7MFT 1.5TO 1.8PF = 9.2- = 16.5NP 7.6OE 8.9FG
After November
24.1M 13.5P 9.9R 1.4A 2.4S 0.7B = 27.9+ 5.2MFG 1.2MFT 1.9TO 1.9PF = 10.2- = 17.7NP 7.1OE 10.6FG
James Southerland
16.7M 18.5P 7.9R 1.0A 2.1S 2.1B = 31.6+ 7.6MFG 0.8MFT 0.9TO 3.0PF = 12.3- = 19.3NP 10.1OE 9.2FG
Previous numbers:
After December
16.3M 20.7P 8.0R 1.6A 2.9S 2.3B = 35.5+ 6.2MFG 1.1MFT 0.8TO 2.1PF = 10.2- = 25.3NP 13.4OE 11.9FG
After November
16.4M 25.7P 8.7R 2.1A 3.8S 1.7B = 42.0+ 6.3MFG 0.3MFT 0.3TO 1.4PF = 8.3- = 33.7NP 19.1OE 14.6FG
Comment: Every one of these player’s numbers have gone down each month. Southerland’s were off the charts and had to come down. With CJ, the biggest drop is in his rebounding numbers. With Kris Joseph, it’s both his scoring and rebounding.
GUARDS
Scoop Jardine
23.0M 14.8P 3.7R 8.6A 2.4S 0.2B = 29.7+ 5.7MFG 1.7MFT 3.5TO 1.4PF = 12.3- = 17.4NP 7.4OE 9.9FG
Previous numbers:
After December
21.3M 16.1P 4.9R 7.3A 3.3S 0.1B = 31.7+ 5.6MFG 1.6MFT 3.9TO 1.3PF = 12.4- = 19.3NP 8.9OE 10.4FG
After November
18.4M 15.2P 2.4R 9.0A 3.7S 0.0B = 30.3+ 6.5MFG 2.5MFT 3.7TO 0.9PF = 13.6- = 16.7NP 6.2OE 10.5FG
Brandon Triche
22.4M 18.3P 4.3R 5.1A 2.3S 0.3B = 30.3+ 7.9MFG 0.5MFT 2.4TO 2.2PF = 13.0- = 17.3NP 9.9OE 8.4FG
Previous numbers:
After December
21.5M 18.3P 4.0R 5.7A 2.1S 0.4B = 30.5+ 8.7MFG 0.5MFT 2.6TO 2.5PF = 14.3- = 16.2NP 9.1OE 7.1FG
After November
21.9M 20.1P 4.4R 6.5A 1.8S 0.5B = 33.3+ 8.6MFG 0.5MFT 3.9TO 2.1PF = 15.1- = 18.2NP 11.0OE 7.2FG
Dion Waiters
22.5M 21.8P 3.2R 4.6A 4.0S 0.7B = 34.3+ 8.6MFG 1.5MFT 2.5TO 2.9PF = 15.5- = 18.8NP 11.7OE 7.1FG
Previous numbers:
After December
21.3M 23.6P 3.1R 5.1A 4.0S 0.5B = 36.3+ 8.0MFG 1.5MFT 2.8TO 2.6PF = 14.9- = 21.4NP 14.1OE 7.3FG
After November
22.4M 21.1P 2.8R 6.1A 4.1S 0.8B = 34.9+ 8.4MFG 1.8MFT 2.3TO 3.3PF = 15.8- = 19.1NP 10.9OE 8.2FG
Michael Carter-Willliams
10.0M 9.3P 5.6R 7.9A 3.0S 1.0B = 26.8+ 5.4MFG 1.6MFT 2.4TO 3.1PF = 12.5- = 14.3NP +2.3OE +12.0FG
Previous numbers:
After December
12.9M 8.5P 5.6R 8.1A 3.1S 1.2B = 26.5+ 5.8MFG 1.7MFT 2.5TO 2.9PF = 13.6- = 13.6NP +1.0OE +12.6FG
After November
13.3M 6.9P 6.0R 7.7A 3.9S 1.3B = 25.8+ 7.3MFG 0.9MFT 3.4TO 3.0PF = 14.6- = 11.2NP -1.3OE 12.5FG
Mookie Jones has left the program and played only 38 minutes this season- my cut off for numbers from past seasons is 100 minutes- so I’m not including his numbers.
Comments: Scoop Jardine’s scoring has gone down but his assists have gone up considerably. He’s learned that he doesn’t have to do things by himself- that he needs to get the ball to his several teammates who can score. But he retains his ability to hit a big jumper from time to time when the defense is concentrating on those teammates. Brandon Triche is getting fewer assists but his scoring level has remained the same- but he’s missing fewer shots. Dion Waiters is scoring less and missing more shots. You want rebounding from the guards? Try Michael Carter Williams.
