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Take all the positives: points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks and subtract the negatives: missed field goals, miss free throws, turnovers and fouls. The result is “Net Points.” (NP). M = minutes.
James Southerland +22NP in 27M season: +265NP in 578M per 40M: +18.3NP
Dion Waiters +17NP in 24M season: +378NP in 844M per 40M: +17.9NP
Scoop Jardine +16NP in 34M season: +333NP in 848M per 40M: +15.7NP
Rakeem Christmas +15NP in 34M season: +124NP in 398M per 40M: +12.5NP
Brandon Triche +2NP in 24M season: +275NP in 787M per 40M: +14.0NP
Kris Joseph +1NP in 37M season: +412NP in 1116M per 40M: +14.8NP
Baye Moussa Keita +1NP in 5M season: +101NP in 379M per 40M: +10.7NP
CJ Fair -2NP in 15M season: +335NP in 909M per 40M: +14.7NP
Michael Carter-Williams 0NP in 0M season: +105NP in 269M per 40M: +15.6NP
Fab Melo 0NP in 0M season: +308NP in 763M per 40M: +16.1NP
Comment: CJ Fair has 4 NP in 67 minutes since he became a starter. He was averaging 27 minutes a game as a reserve. He’s averaged 17 as a starter. I really thought Kris Joseph had a better game than his numbers show. He seemed to set the aggressive tone early and did get to the line 8 times. His jump shooting is still off. Scoop Jardine has 27 points and 15 assists in two NCAA games. Southerland has 30 points and 14 rebounds.
Offensive Dude of the Game: Scoop Jardine won it on gross numbers, (16 points and 8 assists = 24). Dion Waiters won the per minute crown, (18 + 1 = 19 in 34 minutes, or 22.1 over 40 minutes compared to 21.8 for Jardine). Using gross numbers, Waiters has been the ODOG 11 times, Jardine 10 times, Joseph 9 times, Southerland and Triche 4 times and Fair once. If you go by per 40 minutes averages, Waiters has been the ODOG 12 times, Jardine and Triche 8 times, Southerland 3 times, Joseph twice , Keita, Christmas and Carter-Williams once each. (They don’t add up to 28 because of ties).
Shooting Breakdown: SU was17/36 (.472: we are .521 on the season- we were .527 last year and .571 two years ago) from inside the arc, 6/9 from outside, (..667) and 23/29 from the line (.793). Kansas State was 17/50 (.340), 4/17, (.235), and 13/19, (.684) 13 of our 23 baskets were assisted, (56.5%), vs. 8 of Kansas State‘s 21, (38%).
POP: I’ll credit the Axeman for naming this. A common stat is “points in the paint”. But what about the points outside the paint? The game gets a lot harder if you have to plow through the defense to get to the basket to score. Jump shots, (and not just three pointers), are an important part of any team’s offense. You can’t rely on them too much as they are the most inconsistent part of the game but you have to have the capacity to score over the defense or else you are likely to struggle. The formula is simple: Total points minus points in the paint minus free throws.
We scored 75 points in this game, 28 in the paint and 23 from the line so he had 24 POP in this game. We have 925 points outside the paint in 35 games, an average of 26.4 per game. We’ve scored 2461 points, or 35.8%, have come outside the paint. We’ve had 522 POP in 19 home games, (27.5), 403 in 16 games away from the Dome, (25.2). If you count only “true” road games, it’s 244 in 10 (24.4).
Rebounding: Syracuse had 9 offensive and 23 defensive rebounds. Kansas State had 25 offensive and 16 defensive rebounds. That means that when we missed, we got the rebound 36% of the time. When they missed, they got the rebound 52% of the time. Kansas State had 14 turnovers, of which 6 were Syracuse steals, (43%). Syracuse had 14 turnovers of which 5 were Kansas State steals, (36%). We had 46 “manufactured” possessions, (our rebounds + their turnovers). They had 55. For the year we’ve manufactured 1804 possessions to 1654 for the opposition so we are up +150 in 35 games= +4.3 per game.
And, thanks to Blacksquirrels and Knicks411, I now understand how to compute “points per possession, (field goal attempts – offensive rebounds + turnovers plus 47.5% of free throws attempted) and here they are:
Syracuse: 45 FGA minus 9 offensive rebounds plus 8 turnovers plus 47.5% of 29 free throws = 63.775 possessions. The possessions can’t be more than one off so I’ll call that 64 possessions in which we scored 75 points or 1.172 points per possession. For the season it’s 1.127.
Kansas State: 67-25+14 plus 47.5% of 19 = 65.025 possessions. Let’s call that 65 possessions, (so we won’t be more than one off) in which they scored 59 points or 0.908 points per possession. For the season it’s 0.915.
Dry stretches were a problem last year- we’d go 8-10 minutes with the offense not functioning. I decided it should be a goal to score at least 15 points in every 10 minute “quarter” of the game, (college is the only level that doesn’t have quarters). You want to score more than that, of course, but if we can avoid falling under 15 in any ten minute period we should have a good scoring average because we’ll have 20 and 25 point quarters as well. The “quarterly” splits in this game were 17-11, 8-13, 24-18, 26-17. We’ve had 30 sub 15 point quarters this year and lost 34 quarters (of 140). Here are the averages per quarter: 15-14, 19-12, 19-16, 21-18 .
James Southerland +22NP in 27M season: +265NP in 578M per 40M: +18.3NP
Dion Waiters +17NP in 24M season: +378NP in 844M per 40M: +17.9NP
Scoop Jardine +16NP in 34M season: +333NP in 848M per 40M: +15.7NP
Rakeem Christmas +15NP in 34M season: +124NP in 398M per 40M: +12.5NP
Brandon Triche +2NP in 24M season: +275NP in 787M per 40M: +14.0NP
Kris Joseph +1NP in 37M season: +412NP in 1116M per 40M: +14.8NP
Baye Moussa Keita +1NP in 5M season: +101NP in 379M per 40M: +10.7NP
CJ Fair -2NP in 15M season: +335NP in 909M per 40M: +14.7NP
Michael Carter-Williams 0NP in 0M season: +105NP in 269M per 40M: +15.6NP
Fab Melo 0NP in 0M season: +308NP in 763M per 40M: +16.1NP
Comment: CJ Fair has 4 NP in 67 minutes since he became a starter. He was averaging 27 minutes a game as a reserve. He’s averaged 17 as a starter. I really thought Kris Joseph had a better game than his numbers show. He seemed to set the aggressive tone early and did get to the line 8 times. His jump shooting is still off. Scoop Jardine has 27 points and 15 assists in two NCAA games. Southerland has 30 points and 14 rebounds.
Offensive Dude of the Game: Scoop Jardine won it on gross numbers, (16 points and 8 assists = 24). Dion Waiters won the per minute crown, (18 + 1 = 19 in 34 minutes, or 22.1 over 40 minutes compared to 21.8 for Jardine). Using gross numbers, Waiters has been the ODOG 11 times, Jardine 10 times, Joseph 9 times, Southerland and Triche 4 times and Fair once. If you go by per 40 minutes averages, Waiters has been the ODOG 12 times, Jardine and Triche 8 times, Southerland 3 times, Joseph twice , Keita, Christmas and Carter-Williams once each. (They don’t add up to 28 because of ties).
Shooting Breakdown: SU was17/36 (.472: we are .521 on the season- we were .527 last year and .571 two years ago) from inside the arc, 6/9 from outside, (..667) and 23/29 from the line (.793). Kansas State was 17/50 (.340), 4/17, (.235), and 13/19, (.684) 13 of our 23 baskets were assisted, (56.5%), vs. 8 of Kansas State‘s 21, (38%).
POP: I’ll credit the Axeman for naming this. A common stat is “points in the paint”. But what about the points outside the paint? The game gets a lot harder if you have to plow through the defense to get to the basket to score. Jump shots, (and not just three pointers), are an important part of any team’s offense. You can’t rely on them too much as they are the most inconsistent part of the game but you have to have the capacity to score over the defense or else you are likely to struggle. The formula is simple: Total points minus points in the paint minus free throws.
We scored 75 points in this game, 28 in the paint and 23 from the line so he had 24 POP in this game. We have 925 points outside the paint in 35 games, an average of 26.4 per game. We’ve scored 2461 points, or 35.8%, have come outside the paint. We’ve had 522 POP in 19 home games, (27.5), 403 in 16 games away from the Dome, (25.2). If you count only “true” road games, it’s 244 in 10 (24.4).
Rebounding: Syracuse had 9 offensive and 23 defensive rebounds. Kansas State had 25 offensive and 16 defensive rebounds. That means that when we missed, we got the rebound 36% of the time. When they missed, they got the rebound 52% of the time. Kansas State had 14 turnovers, of which 6 were Syracuse steals, (43%). Syracuse had 14 turnovers of which 5 were Kansas State steals, (36%). We had 46 “manufactured” possessions, (our rebounds + their turnovers). They had 55. For the year we’ve manufactured 1804 possessions to 1654 for the opposition so we are up +150 in 35 games= +4.3 per game.
And, thanks to Blacksquirrels and Knicks411, I now understand how to compute “points per possession, (field goal attempts – offensive rebounds + turnovers plus 47.5% of free throws attempted) and here they are:
Syracuse: 45 FGA minus 9 offensive rebounds plus 8 turnovers plus 47.5% of 29 free throws = 63.775 possessions. The possessions can’t be more than one off so I’ll call that 64 possessions in which we scored 75 points or 1.172 points per possession. For the season it’s 1.127.
Kansas State: 67-25+14 plus 47.5% of 19 = 65.025 possessions. Let’s call that 65 possessions, (so we won’t be more than one off) in which they scored 59 points or 0.908 points per possession. For the season it’s 0.915.
Dry stretches were a problem last year- we’d go 8-10 minutes with the offense not functioning. I decided it should be a goal to score at least 15 points in every 10 minute “quarter” of the game, (college is the only level that doesn’t have quarters). You want to score more than that, of course, but if we can avoid falling under 15 in any ten minute period we should have a good scoring average because we’ll have 20 and 25 point quarters as well. The “quarterly” splits in this game were 17-11, 8-13, 24-18, 26-17. We’ve had 30 sub 15 point quarters this year and lost 34 quarters (of 140). Here are the averages per quarter: 15-14, 19-12, 19-16, 21-18 .
