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Message: [QUOTE="OrangePA, post: 935254, member: 204"] Oh my. You mean when we hired guys like Jim Reid, Steve Dunlap, Tyrell Austin, Brian Stewart, Steve Addazzio, Jerry Azzinaro, Jeff Stoudtland, and on and on??? Please, stop trying to figure out coaching talent. Give Shafer some credit. The problems in the early 2000s were not the assistant coaches - the problems were money, AstroTurf and lack of talent. Did it ever occur to anybody that Shafer asked Perles to leave - that he had this guy in mind all along? [/QUOTE]