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Message: [QUOTE="hplare, post: 5461091, member: 545"] Ben played many time with his son-in law in our annual three day member guest. In one of our matches against them he told me he had adamantly instructed the defense it was too far and to let them kick it. Years had passed but Ben still recalled it with disbelief. Not only did Sweeny wipe out the holder, but ran off the field shouting, "Did you see that, Coach! Did you see me? I creamed that guy! Flags flew, they made the new try and we lost. But in the hours that followed controversy arose. There was nothing in the rule books at that time that mentioned a penalty for roughing the holder. It was debated in the press for several days, then finally decided to let the penalty stand. During the delay for a ruling and even afterwards Father Hesburgh, the President of Notre Dame proclaimed if the rule was wrong they would concede the loss. We're still waiting [/QUOTE]