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Message: [QUOTE="Alsacs, post: 2664712, member: 652"] So OBJ is better than Gates. He is not better than in his prime LT but that was when Brees was the QB and the rookie starting year of Rivers in 2005. After 2006 LT went downhill. Please don’t tell Eli had nothing. Tiki was a lesser of version of LT. He wasn’t as good but he wasn’t a bum. Plaxico/Toomer/Shockley/Smith/Manningham/Cruz aren’t exactly a pupu platter. The QB makes these guys valuable or wasted. Both Eli and Rivers have had good years and bad ones. Eli gets credit for the rings but Rivers has played at the higher level overall. [/QUOTE]