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Message: [QUOTE="Melancer46, post: 2729071, member: 1674"] I've thought this for a long time but the Bills game just reminded me of it...I think it's stupid that basically any penalty on the defense results in a 1st down while any penalty on the offense simply resets the down. If the offense needs 5 yards and the defense is called for a 10 yard penalty, then it should be a first down, but otherwise, offense should just get the yards and re-do the down like every other penalty. It's so dumb that you can have a 3rd and 20 and have the defense get called for a ticky-tack 5 yard penalty and the offense gets a 1st down out of it. [/QUOTE]