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Message: [QUOTE="bpo57, post: 2732205, member: 1572"] With all due respect Kaiser you kinda made my point. Some NYG fans overstate Eli's accomplishments. I know for you it's all about the rings but just wondering why you don't use that calculus when talking about Big Papi's HoF credentials? No question Manning has had a very solid career. Personally I don't think he belongs in the HoF. Best case he is borderline imo but the NFL has granted admission to a few players over the years that I didn't think deserved it so his admission wouldn't shock me. He may have to wait a few years. NFW is he first ballot. Like I said whenever Manning is discussed your consistent metric is the two rings. But think about it and be honest with yourself. That first squad won entirely on defense and Manning in many ways was not much more than a game manager. That team averaged 20 points a a game in three playoff games and his stats were nothing special. They won because their D line chased Brady all over the field and terrorized him while playing ball control with a solid running game. In the last 6+ years Manning has thrown for 160 TDs, had 103 picks and 52 fumbles. That's pretty much defining mediocrity right there. You can make every excuse under the sun but those stats are just not representative of a HoFer. Frankly if Wentz' career accomplishments do not exceed Simms or Manning then I will be very disappointed. He's clearly more talented than either one of them. But my assessment of his career will not boil down JUST to how many SB rings he has because by that logic Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino and Nick Foles is better than Phillip Rivers. A lot goes into winning a SB besides QB play. You need a great defense and you even need some luck. You know, like throwing it up for grabs and having a career STer catch a ball against his helmet. But back to my original point. There is nothing to dislike about Eli Manning. He seems like a class act. [/QUOTE]

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