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Message: [QUOTE="Melancer46, post: 2756832, member: 1674"] There's really no defending a loss like that to one of the worst teams in the NFL (though the Vikings had a similar loss to Buffalo somehow and obviously they're actually good lol), but I think people are overreacting to Gruden. The Raiders sucked last season too and given how much leverage Gruden has with his contract, he's decided to undergo a rebuilding process. I don't think it was necessarily a bad idea and I think the moves he's made so far are pretty defensible. The Cooper trade was undeniably good. The Mack trade is TBD, but I don't blame him for not wanting to pay a defensive player roughly $23 million, and they got a ton of assets in return for him. I think it would be wise to move on from Carr if another team wants to give up a 2nd-ish round pick for him too, and it feels like that's where we're eventually headed. [/QUOTE]