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Message: [QUOTE="Cusefan0307, post: 3156420, member: 1743"] I actually thought The Browns moved the ball pretty well against the Pats considering the weather. Unlike the Jets they actually had a good game plan and didn't seem to play scared. Those 3 first quarter turnovers were a killer and the penalties the Browns get every week show me Kitchens is in over his head. Mayfield made some good throws and Chubb was able to run on them. If he doesn't fumble on the 10 yard line and they don't have about 10 false start/procedure penalties that game looks a lot different. [/QUOTE]