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Message: [QUOTE="nzm136, post: 1766650, member: 2531"] No, you gave me vague opinions. Here's are some specific facts: * SU reported a $20 million surplus to the DoE in Gross' last year <-- I don't think that I can post links to other site on this forum, but you're free to check the respective sites. As you pointed out, finances are a responsibility of the AD. *SU hired a number of coaches during DG's tenure that were and are still successful (the list of coaches is too long to list, but the results can be seen in the point below) * SU is ranked #10 in the final winter directors' cup standings. SU is currently ranked #8 (men) and #5 (women) in the Capital One standings. <-- I don't think that I can post links to other site on this forum, but you're free to check the respective sites. Athletic performance is the other a responsibility of the AD. *SU built the Melo center in 2009 for basketball. SU built an IPF in 2015. SU installed new FieldTurf in the Dome in 2005, and new LED displays in 2012. SU built a new weight room in 2005. SU installed new turf on Coyne field (field hockey) in 2005. SU installed new turf on the football practice fields in 2007-2008 (I can't find it, and I can't remember the exact year). SU updated Manley in 2010. SU upgraded the entire football facility in 2012 (I just closed the link, but I think it said 2012). <-- I don't think that I can post links to other site on this forum, but you're free to check googles. Athletic performance is the other a responsibility of the AD, and the following is opinion, but I don't think that it's controversial - facilities are integral to maintaining athletic success. *SU's "New York's College Team" campaign (along with advertisements in Yankee Stadium) were followed by a similar campaign from UConn, Rutgers, SJU, SUNY Buffalo, and the B1G. <-- I don't think that I can post links to other site on this forum, but you're free to check googles. Athletic performance is the other a responsibility of the AD, and the following is opinion, but I don't think that it's controversial - brand equity/name recognition is integral to maintaining athletic success. *Wegmans is the largest private employer in the Syracuse area (as per the google search that I just ran - but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). That means that there are zero local companies that are truly big. Therefore, we can't lean on local businesses like some of our competitors can, and we can't smooth revenues/expenses like our competition. *SU athletics did lose a couple of million early during the GRob years. And, although I can't find the article, I remember it being $3-4 million. *DG did hire GRob, which was a mistake. This isn't a fact, but I don't think that anyone will argue. *SU did get hammered by the NCAA (fact), but I think that the penalties were unnecessarily harsh (opinion) and partially beyond DG's control (fact). Statements like "there was panic in the office when KS took over" are 1) vague (Who was panicking in the office? How are you defining panic?), 2) unsubstantiated (no proof), and almost certainly opinion. Statements like "coloring outside the lines" are incredibly vague and purely opinion. That could mean virtually anything. Statements like "he spent too much" are your opinion. Given our apparent RoI, I'd be willing to bet that we beat most schools. If that's the case, then barring an unreasonably stringent definitions of "too much," I'd say that you're probably wrong. See the difference? I can reference specific actions (building specific facilities, hiring specific coaches, etc.), and I can give links (or at least tell you how to find the info ) for almost all of it (unless otherwise indicated). And, Those facts aren't the alpha-omega, but they do create strong evidence that DG achieved widespread success, built a structure to maintain success, and successfully managed finances when his tenure is taken as a whole. If you'll agree that an AD's duties are to 1) ensure that his/her teams enjoy success, 2) maintain an atmosphere of success, 3) and generate sufficient revenue to cover costs, I think that you will have to also agree that there's a strong case that DG was a great AD. He wasn't perfect (see the last couple of bullets), but I don't see a particularly strong argument against the guy. [/QUOTE]

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