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Message: [QUOTE="sufandu, post: 5611172, member: 874"] I understand your point. My point is that yours is not necessarily accurate. We aren't in the locker room. We're not in the coaches offices. Fans won't always know who the leaders are when they aren't the stars of the team. It doesn't mean they aren't there, and there is no reason they can't be something other than seniors. A third year guy can lead just as well as a fourth or fifth year guy. Our special core in '24 included guys that weren't on the team in '23. Who knew Meeks was going to be one? [/QUOTE]