No more SAT/ACT requirement…

[jr4750]

The new era of college athletics continues…

Can Winfred Walton come to Cuse now?

NCAA permanently ends SAT, ACT eligibility requirement for Division I, II student-athletes

Reevaluating testing mandates was part of the association’s plan to advance racial equity.

www.highereddive.com

 

[hoopsupstate]

John Thompson is smiling.

 

[pfister1]

Lets not educate those kids at the elementary, middle and high school level so that they are capable of obtaining scores that demonstrate that they might be capable of handling college level work, instead we'll lower the admissions standard so that they come to college completely incapable of handling the work required.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Lets not educate those kids at the elementary, middle and high school level so that they are capable of obtaining scores that demonstrate that they might be capable of handling college level work, instead we'll lower the admissions standard so that they come to college completely incapable of handling the work required.

I don’t disagree. Let’s just make sure inner city schools get the same funding and educational opportunities as suburban schools. If you think all schools are alike you’re kidding yourself. If you think Syracuse City School kids have the the same opportunities as students at FM, JD, Skaneateles, Westhill, WG then you can compare SAT/ACT scores.

 

[baggerbob]

Lets not educate those kids at the elementary, middle and high school level so that they are capable of obtaining scores that demonstrate that they might be capable of handling college level work, instead we'll lower the admissions standard so that they come to college completely incapable of handling the work required.

The first step to eliminating Student Athlete, which I suspect a lot of SEC Athletes are not taking real college courses.
We know North Carolina did it for 20 years.
You might as well say we have come to the point of a minor league for the NFL.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Let's start adding it all up:

- very little "academic standards" for admission to a college
- very little "academic standards" once they are enrolled
- as a corallary to that, I always remember that my grand-neice...a student at SU... got a side gig as a tutor for the athletic dept. One of the students she tutored had played on an SU sport that that I won't name. He came back a few years later to finish his degree, he wanted her to do a paper for him, she refused, he fired her, she was so demoralized that she stopped tutoring, and the whole thing seemed to be just SOP.
- athletes get paid to go to a school...excuse me, they are paid for their "name and likeness"... which basically means that instead of getting a piece of their name and likeness used for commercial purposes, they are paid for their face being on the court or on the field.
- the school needs to share the wealth for all that the school makes off of those players, so that is done not just by the school but also the boosters. In addition, it is suggested that the fans kick in out of their own pockets as well. Not just by buying a shirt with the name of a player that may or may not hit the portal at the end of the season, but also by contributing to funds that pay the players. In addition to paying for tickets, hotel and meals on road trips, etc. etc. that the fan is already paying, of course.

Not that some of this has not been going on forever, especially in a conference whose initials start with a S and ends with a C, but it does seem to be accelerating at the speed of light.

I donate annually to my old academic dept at SU and have made provisions for them in my estate as well. That department and the great professors who educated me laid the groundwork for a fine career and a comfortable life. I think instead of buying more player tee shirts and whatever else, I'll simply add more to my annual donation toward academics. Thanks college sports! You beat me into submission.

 

[FrancoPizza]

If you think Syracuse City School kids have the the same opportunities as students at FM, JD, Skaneateles, Westhill, WG then you can compare SAT/ACT scores.

I think it’s far more about the parents of these kids and their involvement or lack thereof.

 

[UpstateSM]

Standardized testing is dumb unless every kid in America is on anything close to an even playing field (they’re not)

 

[upperdeck]

I don’t disagree. Let’s just make sure inner city schools get the same funding and educational opportunities as suburban schools. If you think all schools are alike you’re kidding yourself. If you think Syracuse City School kids have the the same opportunities as students at FM, JD, Skaneateles, Westhill, WG then you can compare SAT/ACT scores.

same opportunity no. but dont just say that inner city kids get less. most of the kids outside the city get less as well. the country kids which make up most of the state get a lot less too.

 

[pfister1]

Don’t necessarily disagree, but is there a way to begin to do that other than making public education State or Nationally funded and maybe eliminate segregation of better/wealthier students at private schools?

 

[XC Cuse]

I don’t disagree. Let’s just make sure inner city schools get the same funding and educational opportunities as suburban schools. If you think all schools are alike you’re kidding yourself. If you think Syracuse City School kids have the the same opportunities as students at FM, JD, Skaneateles, Westhill, WG then you can compare SAT/ACT scores.

Funding has dramatically increased across the board the last few decades. It hasn't correlated with more academic achievement. The issues are far more tied to family home lives.

 

[hoopsupstate]

same opportunity no. but dont just say that inner city kids get less. most of the kids outside the city get less as well. the country kids which make up most of the state get a lot less too.

Disagree. A lot of rural schools have great programs and PARENTAL SUPPORT, which is major. I grew up in a rural school and we lacked for nothing. You can’t compare rural to inner city.

 

[upperdeck]

Disagree. A lot of rural schools have great programs and PARENTAL SUPPORT, which is major. I grew up in a rural school and we lacked for nothing. You can’t compare rural to inner city.

well my school had zero AP courses. and it varies all over. and yes PARENTAL SUPPORT is a big deal

but doing decent on SAT/ACT doesnt really need school support it just enhances it. And doing well enough to get into a college doesnt take much at all..

 

[OCESIP]

I don’t disagree. Let’s just make sure inner city schools get the same funding and educational opportunities as suburban schools. If you think all schools are alike you’re kidding yourself. If you think Syracuse City School kids have the the same opportunities as students at FM, JD, Skaneateles, Westhill, WG then you can compare SAT/ACT scores.

Funding is quantifiable - Syracuse school district $19.7k per student, FM $18.8k, JD $19.9k, Skaneateles $20.8k, Liverpool $19.0k per 2021 reported results. What isn't quantifiable is the quality of what you're getting for the $$ spent. It's the old adage that just throwing money at a problem doesn't guarantee results. Lots of peripheral issues when comparing results when you're discussing the topic of schooling and kids.

 

[ORANGE OATH]

Funding is quantifiable - Syracuse school district $19.7k per student, FM $18.8k, JD $19.9k, Skaneateles $20.8k, Liverpool $19.0k per 2021 reported results. What isn't quantifiable is the quality of what you're getting for the $$ spent. It's the old adage that just throwing money at a problem doesn't guarantee results. Lots of peripheral issues when comparing results when you're discussing the topic of schooling and kids.

I think home life / stable nuclear family is the major basis of how to establish academic success.
Money is certainly an element in the equation, but not the end all answer.
There will always be those who believe just throw money at it is the answer, it certainly hasn’t worked so far as nation test scores reveal.
I think the quantifiable per student expenditures in your original post demonstrates that point clearly. Nice Job !

 

[crv1728]

I don’t disagree. Let’s just make sure inner city schools get the same funding and educational opportunities as suburban schools. If you think all schools are alike you’re kidding yourself. If you think Syracuse City School kids have the the same opportunities as students at FM, JD, Skaneateles, Westhill, WG then you can compare SAT/ACT scores.

Well stated. Add to all that an inevitable bias in every test such as ACT and SAT.. I had a professor once say that he would no longer curve test grades as soon as he wrote the perfect exam. He was already old at that point and still curved scores.
The other thing is that many universities have been moving away from standardized tests for many years.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Neon Boudeaux was right all along.

 

[Orangezoo]

Disagree. A lot of rural schools have great programs and PARENTAL SUPPORT, which is major. I grew up in a rural school and we lacked for nothing. You can’t compare rural to inner city.

Yeah I went to a HS that had a graduating class of less than 100. It wasn't support or resources that lacked it was culture and values that saw college as less useful vs vocational and military paths. For those of us that wanted go the college route nothing was stopping us.

 

[CU44SE]

1- I’m lazy and don’t feel like reading

2- my only education on this is blue chips. So I don’t even know if it is real information or not. Do kids really get to have a lower GPA if they have a higher sat score? And it’s a sliding scale?

3- if 2 is the case, what happens now that the testing is out the window? Is there a flat GPA they have to get now? And did that go up since SAT’s are out?

 

[OttoMets]

...
- as a corallary to that, I always remember that my grand-neice...a student at SU... got a side gig as a tutor for the athletic dept. One of the students she tutored had played on an SU sport that that I won't name. He came back a few years later to finish his degree, he wanted her to do a paper for him, she refused, he fired her, she was so demoralized that she stopped tutoring, and the whole thing seemed to be just SOP.
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Have heard this first-hand too many times over the years, from too many random people (many of whom are diehard college sports fans), to think that's anything other than 100% accurate.

 

[Brooky03]

I give this thread until page 1.5

 

[Entropic]

Disagree. A lot of rural schools have great programs and PARENTAL SUPPORT, which is major. I grew up in a rural school and we lacked for nothing. You can’t compare rural to inner city.

"We lacked for nothing" is a bold statement to make for an entire school district especially with variables like parental support. Not to discount your particular experience but a lot of rural school districts I've come across that are filled with kids from trailer parks with unemployed parents may have a different experience than you had. Let's maybe not make sweeping judgements when using your own personal experience.

In my experience in a rural school we had kids with clearly no support network and kids that grew up with every amenity imaginable and everything in between. The kids with no support often, but not always struggled, with grades and with in social situations. Wealth disparity doesn't always equate to a child's performance in school. Engaged parents absolutely do make a difference.

The issue here is further reducing expectations on kids. Rather than lifting them up we just lower the bar. Wealthy schools give more access to technology but anyone prior to 2010 can attest that technology does not equate to better learning. All these schools have access to proper materials to do the job. The issues almost exclusively come down to the school environment and home support network. This is a parenting and cultural issue. Not a wealth issue. There are good hard working kids in all income brackets and there are violent and ill-mannered kids in all income brackets.

 

[FrancoPizza]

The issue here is further reducing expectations on kids. Rather than lifting them up we just lower the bar.

when are they going to lower the hoop from 10’ to 7’ so I can dunk on it?

 

[Eric15]

I think it's important not to correlate quality of parenting with socioeconomic status. There are good and bad parents that are poor, middle income and rich. It's just that when you're poor, you have SO many other things working against you (working multiple jobs, taking a bus to work that eats up time, not being able to afford a tutor, etc.) that you have to deal with in addition to ensuring that your children get educated.

 

[NYCCuse826]

This is going to get bad fast. The NCAA required the bare minimum to be eligible for collegiate athletics and the only barrier has been tossed to the side.