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No one likes Gotleib

Gottleib caught up in names.

Monmouth should be in because they beat ucla and gtown.

Of course those teams were not good this year, but they have shiny names so gottleib is hooked.

Top shelf analysis by him there.
 
CuseFaninVT said:
You can't really say he's wrong about the St. John's loss. And we finished the season so badly, which I thought would completely obliterate the "but they didn't have their head coach" argument.
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As I've said, who is to say the team wouldnt have done even worse down the stretch with Hop? The narrative of the opinion after JB's return went on for quite some time, and the ending did not completely negate it.
 
CaptainJ said:
As I've said, who is to say the team wouldnt have done even worse down the stretch with Hop? The narrative of the opinion after JB's return went on for quite some time, and the ending did not completely negate it.
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Who cares? We made it in. Save your Hop speculation until he's actually the HC in a few years.
 
NYCSUGrad said:
Who cares? We made it in. Save your Hop speculation until he's actually the HC in a few years.
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I think you misunderstood the intent of my post. It was not about Hop(or Red, or Gerry, or Bernie...Sanders lol), but about BOEHEIM, and folks trying to use the logic that the last 6 games negated the committee boosting our rating due to his absence as they do when star players are hurt. I spoke about this with quotes from the committee chair for days, and some folks chose to argue against it.
 
Gottleib said the same thing after we beat Uconn in the Gerry year. He gets upset that big schools have the chance to get big wins that little schools don't. Too bad Dougie.
 
CuseFaninVT said:
You can't really say he's wrong about the St. John's loss. And we finished the season so badly, which I thought would completely obliterate the "but they didn't have their head coach" argument.
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He didn't say St Johns was a bad loss. He said "anyone that loses to St. Johns shouldn't be selected" So, if we went 31-1 with our only loss to St Johns we shouldn't be in? Doug is very talented. He's also a douchebag.. So I guess he's a very talented douchebag.
 
690West said:
He didn't say St Johns was a bad loss. He said "anyone that loses to St. Johns shouldn't be selected" So, if we went 31-1 with our only loss to St Johns we shouldn't be in? Doug is very talented. He's also a douchebag.. So I guess he's a very talented douchebag.
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And actually that statement showed a lack of talent...and understanding, and self control(like me)!

I tried to point out to folks that the NCAA(and a logical thinker) gives more(likely much more!) weight to quality wins than whatever they take away from bad losses, with or without Hop at the wheel. I also said I thought this seasons selections could rise to the level of precedent setting in terms of helping folks(not just here) understand the selection criteria. I'm not sure if others will agree with me on that, but this also helped me remember that I shouldnt necessarily care whether others agree. I guess I have to adjust my own criteria a bit. :)

And if it upsets Doug, it's just a nice bonus. A 10 seed and a "pick" opening line for a team that many were "certain" was out, including Doug.

Who knows how long we will be celebrating...may as well enjoy this to it's fullest right NOW, and revel in Gottleib's frustration. GO ORANGE!!!! (go home Doug!)
 
CaptainJ said:
I think you misunderstood the intent of my post. It was not about Hop(or Red, or Gerry, or Bernie...Sanders lol), but about BOEHEIM, and folks trying to use the logic that the last 6 games negated the committee boosting our rating due to his absence as they do when star players are hurt. I spoke about this with quotes from the committee chair for days, and some folks chose to argue against it.
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Ah I see. I do tend to be on the alert for the Hop bashers. Sorry to have misinterpreted your post.
 
CaptainJ said:
And actually that statement showed a lack of talent...and understanding, and self control(like me)!

I tried to point out to folks that the NCAA(and a logical thinker) gives more(likely much more!) weight to quality wins than whatever they take away from bad losses, with or without Hop at the wheel. I also said I thought this seasons selections could rise to the level of precedent setting in terms of helping folks(not just here) understand the selection criteria. I'm not sure if others will agree with me on that, but this also helped me remember that I shouldnt necessarily care whether others agree. I guess I have to adjust my own criteria a bit. :)

And if it upsets Doug, it's just a nice bonus. A 10 seed and a "pick" opening line for a team that many were "certain" was out, including Doug.

Who knows how long we will be celebrating...may as well enjoy this to it's fullest right NOW, and revel in Gottleib's frustration. GO ORANGE!!!! (go home Doug!)
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Did Barkley have any words of "wisdom" regarding the SU choice? He's usually a real tool too.
 
I know I am one of the few on this board that actually likes Doug Gottlieb and thinks he is a very good analyst. He is smug, but he knows his stuff. He has opinions on who deserves to get in, and will back it up with facts.

I used to be on the other side in terms of giving the little guy a chance if they earned the benefit of the doubt (by trying as best they could in terms of scheduling). I probably am on that side to a degree, but I know that is not how the committee does things.
 
jncuse said:
I know I am one of the few on this board that actually likes Doug Gottlieb and thinks he is a very good analyst. He is smug, but he knows his stuff. He has opinions on who deserves to get in, and will back it up with facts.

I used to be on the other side in terms of giving the little guy a chance if they earned the benefit of the doubt (by trying as best they could in terms of scheduling). I probably am on that side to a degree, but I know that is not how the committee does things.
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I like him as well. He definitely knows his basketball and is articulate.
 
He may be a dick, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

There are always arguments to be made on both sides. We're not 'right' because we're in, versus Monmouth. We're just IN.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
He may be a dick, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

There are always arguments to be made on both sides. We're not 'right' because we're in, versus Monmouth. We're just IN.
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its not so much his opinion, its how and when he voices it. The segment of the show where the teams are first revealed is not the time when you whine and drivel on about "they lost to st johns".

nobody made a comment about any team not deserving to be in during the initial reveal aside from that one snippet. it was unprofessional and stunk of an agenda.

btw, he had that line about st johns prepackaged and ready to go. i heard him say it on the radio a few days ago.
 
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STEVEHOLT said:
its not so much his opinion, its how and when he voices it. The segment of the show where the teams are first revealed is not the time when you whine and drivel on about "they lost to st johns".

nobody made a comment about any team not deserving to be in during the initial revel aside from that one snippet. it was unprofessional and stunk of an agenda.

btw, he had that line about st johns prepackaged and ready to go. i heard him say it on the radio a few days ago.
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Hey, i agree with you. Always happy to stick it to him. He's a preening, vengeful punk. That whining, "WHATTT?!!" when we were announced was priceless. Someone should sample it and match it with some hip hop beats. Call it our "March Marching Anthem."
 
The "little guys" should be in Division II or a basketball verision of 1AA so their players could have a chance to win a national championship. That's what divisions are all about.
 
SWC75 said:
The "little guys" should be in Division II or a basketball verision of 1AA so their players could have a chance to win a national championship. That's what divisions are all about.
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That's an excellent point, and worthy of discussion.
 
I dont people realize how terrible the bottom 2/3 of the teams are in these middling conferences. Sure they have one or two good teams that might be really solid, any given year, but 90 percent of these teams games are the equivalent of playing BC
 
Doug knows nothing. He believes that those imaginary lines we draw in the dirt to separate states should be taken into consideration.
Just Syracuse played mostly home games against weak teams and did not leave the state of New York until January.
that kind of illogical bullcrap was a nasty soundbite that he invented. He is a petty man who will never get over being snubbed.
A man who thinks like that is not intelligent.
 
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