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Message: [QUOTE="Nicknack, post: 4392664, member: 1003"] I actually respect NC State football - not their fans, just the program. They seem to often give FSU fits (and were one of the first teams in the conference to do so). I do admit, I have a little bit of hate for them when they beat our good McNabb team in the dome with a 2pt conversion at the end - but still, respect their program. Now, if we're talking basketball... I despise them. I used to live in Raleigh and knew a dude that really thought they were as good of a program as SU. I tried to argue, but it was a lost cause. Delusional. [/QUOTE]