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Message: [QUOTE="Chip, post: 789723, member: 19"] That's the first time I've heard you admit that was ugly. Unless you meant to quote it for emphasis. Put me on the list of people who just can't bring myself to think of a 4 way tie at 4-2 in the 2004 Big East as a championship level accomplishment. Politicians are paid for that kind of spin. But having said that, I'll gladly take wins over Pitt/BC/Wake, and a 6-6 season with a bowl game. To me, that's basically the same thing. And given how this year started, it might be the best we can hope for. [/QUOTE]