Notre Dame / ACC

[Toga]

Most had felt that moving from 4 to 8 teams for the CFB playoff would happen sooner rather than later. Well apparently not. That said, will this push Notre Dame into full membership?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-th...on-t-expand-anytime-soon-210129640-ncaaf.html

 

[Scooch]

We'll $€€.

 

[All4SU]

I can save everyone a lot of reading. The reason is $$$.
But I predict ND stays Indy for a long time.

 

[Faegan]

I was with an ND alum the other night and he more or less said he cares more about independence than he does national championships, and that most of his friends from ND (he is 43) feel the same way. FWIW.

 

[TheCusian]

I was with an ND alum the other night and he more or less said he cares more about independence than he does national championships, and that most of his friends from ND (he is 43) feel the same way. FWIW.

That's what people say. I wonder if it starts to hurt in recruiting (if you go there you have a lesser chance at playing in the playoff), or if the $ grows if if it doesn't change their minds.

Semi-independence gets them 3 extra OOC games and a touch more money.

 

[44PRIDE]

the only way they join a conference is if they lose their NBC revenue stream...and that is never going to happen.

ESPN pays hundreds of millions for conference TV rights. NBC pays ND $21m for the rights to air all of ND's premium football games.

NBC will never get rid of that deal.

 

[bpo57]

That's what people say. I wonder if it starts to hurt in recruiting (if you go there you have a lesser chance at playing in the playoff), or if the $ grows if if it doesn't change their minds.

Semi-independence gets them 3 extra OOC games and a touch more money.

ND recruits nationally and they would argue joining the ACC would hurt their recruiting. Take a look at their roster, more than any other team they have players from all over the country.

They play games in NFL stadiums like Heinz, the Linc, Baltimore and then in other places like San Antonio etc. They play a game every year in Cali. They have long time traditional rivals like Navy and USC and are now starting back up with Michigan State next year. All of that stuff helps them recruit nationally. I think if they went to the ACC their recruiting would suffer.

I highly doubt that any ND recruit fears they don't have a shot at playing in the playoffs. They are the highest ranked two loss team in the country other than Stanford who they lost to.

 

[WoadBlue]

I was with an ND alum the other night and he more or less said he cares more about independence than he does national championships, and that most of his friends from ND (he is 43) feel the same way. FWIW.

If he had been 43 in 1967, he truthfully could have said that what for him and his friends most defined ND football was not playing in bowls, and that ND would never play in bowls - that ND would rather remain unique even if that meant giving up the chance to play for a national title.

ND fans felt that way right until ND decided to play Texas in the Cotton Bowl. By that 2nd Cotton Bowl, when ND upset the Longhorns and kept them from winning the national title, virtually no ND fans talked about how wrong it was to lose the great tradition of refusing to play in bowls.

The exact thing will happen when ND goes full member in ACC football.

 

[TheCusian]

ND recruits nationally and they would argue joining the ACC would hurt their recruiting. Take a look at their roster, more than any other team they have players from all over the country. They play games in NFL stadiums like Heinz, the Linc, Baltimore and then in other places like San Antonio etc. They play a game every year in Cali. They have long time traditional rivals like Navy and USC and are now starting back up with Michigan State next year. All of that stuff helps them recruit nationally. I think if they went to the ACC their recruiting would suffer. I highly doubt that any ND recruit fears they don't have a shot at playing in the playoffs. They are the highest ranked two loss team in the country other than Stanford who they lost to.

They wouldn't have got in with a win over Stanford.

The recruiting thing is a myth. Kids would play for ND regardless. It's 2015. ESPN exists. You can watch any team play anywhere.

By joining the ACC, they'd still have 4 games to play in whatever venue they'd want play.

The only arguments that make sense are $ and strict adherence to tradition.

 

[Stern]

Most had felt that moving from 4 to 8 teams for the CFB playoff would happen sooner rather than later. Well apparently not. That said, will this push Notre Dame into full membership?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-th...on-t-expand-anytime-soon-210129640-ncaaf.html

ND isn't going to join any conference, no reason too, they almost made the Final 4 without being in one I don't see the need for them to join. And there is no reason to expand the playoff to 8 because instead of fighting over who is #4 you then just fight over who is #8 and if you expand to 16 then you fight over who is #16. Whatever number you expand to there will always be a fight over the last team in and the team left out. The only change you will probably see in the coming years is the Big 12 has to add 2 teams and play a conference championship game. Because it hurt them last year and it almost hurt them this year, because if there was a 1 loss ND or a 1 loss Pac 12 team, no way Oklahoma is in the Final 4 this year.

 

[Stern]

the only way they join a conference is if they lose their NBC revenue stream...and that is never going to happen.

ESPN pays hundreds of millions for conference TV rights. NBC pays ND $21m for the rights to air all of ND's premium football games.

NBC will never get rid of that deal.

And if NBC did get rid of that deal, FOX, or CBS, or ESPN would give ND the same deal which would keep them an independent.

 

[TheCusian]

ND isn't going to join any conference, no reason too, they almost made the Final 4 without being in one I don't see the need for them to join. And there is no reason to expand the playoff to 8 because instead of fighting over who is #4 you then just fight over who is #8 and if you expand to 16 then you fight over who is #16. Whatever number you expand to there will always be a fight over the last team in and the team left out. The only change you will probably see in the coming years is the Big 12 has to add 2 teams and play a conference championship game. Because it hurt them last year and it almost hurt them this year, because if there was a 1 loss ND or a 1 loss Pac 12 team, no way Oklahoma is in the Final 4 this year.

Oklahoma would have been in over ND.

If the Big12 adds a conference title game that squeezes ND more. They'd have to go undefeated to get in.

Arguing over the merits of #9 vs #8 is better than #4 vs #5.

 

[TheCusian]

And if NBC did get rid of that deal, FOX, or CBS, or ESPN would give ND the same deal which would keep them an independent.

The gap between what they make and what we make is not that great far as I can tell.

 

[elimunelson]

Never ever is probably a bad bet with ND. They have already given a little w the guaranteed ACC games. I have no doubt in my lifetime we will see 8 playoff teams and ND in a conference. It could be when i'm 80 but i'm not going to bet on where tv is going in the next 20 years with streaming, etc. The entire landscape is changing. 8 playoff teams vs the conf championships will probably b the waterloo.

 

[SU94]

If he had been 43 in 1967, he truthfully could have said that what for him and his friends most defined ND football was not playing in bowls, and that ND would never play in bowls - that ND would rather remain unique even if that meant giving up the chance to play for a national title.

ND fans felt that way right until ND decided to play Texas in the Cotton Bowl. By that 2nd Cotton Bowl, when ND upset the Longhorns and kept them from winning the national title, virtually no ND fans talked about how wrong it was to lose the great tradition of refusing to play in bowls.

The exact thing will happen when ND goes full member in ACC football.

Agreed. I wrote this a month ago ...

Young-to-middle aged ND alums are not as married to independence as the old guard. In fact, they are like almost all of us. They watch College Gameday. They play fantasy sports. They play video games (well, I don't). They like having something to play for during seasons in which they lose twice in their first 6 or 7 games. Which, BTW, is most seasons nowadays.

Remember, Notre Dame for 40+ years, eschewed all bowl invitations. That changed.
Remember, Notre Dame would not allow 5th-year players. That has changed in practice (if not title).
Remember, Notre Dame once played on a grass field. No longer.
Remember, Notre Dame once proudly made no academic concessions for football players. Lou Holtz changed that.
Remember, Notre Dame once distanced itself from Miami and Michigan. They've played Miami (even before the ACC agreement) and there is already talk/momentum about when the Michigan series will be revived.
Remember, Notre Dame was once a true independent. Now they play 5 games against the ACC annually.

Notre Dame is justifiably proud of its traditions, status and standing within the CFB community. They are currently a power broker.
But they are not as insular. They will change. They always have, just at a more deliberate pace than the rest of us.
Otherwise, if they don't change, those traditions ... that status ... their standing will erode over time. And they would not like that.

 

[TerryD]

They wouldn't have got in with a win over Stanford.

The recruiting thing is a myth. Kids would play for ND regardless. It's 2015. ESPN exists. You can watch any team play anywhere.

By joining the ACC, they'd still have 4 games to play in whatever venue they'd want play.

The only arguments that make sense are $ and strict adherence to tradition.

The thing is, there are no "arguments" among ND alumni, administrators and fans. They are the only ones whose opinions count for anything on this issue.

The ideas/bias/wishes of fans of other schools have no bearing or relevance to this .

http://www.si.com/college-football/...hting-irish-college-football-playoff-stanford


http://www.ndinsider.com/football/n...cle_66467634-7dc6-11e5-9151-9b610b66873e.html


http://irish.nbcsports.com/2014/07/31/for-swarbrick-independence-helps-tell-the-notre-dame-story/

 

[storange]

Three letters to explain why they won't join a conference, NBC, everything else is just conversation.

 

[TheCusian]

Three letters to explain why they won't join a conference, NBC, everything else is just conversation.

The $ is really not that far off from ACC $. The exposure is big - but ESPN would give them that anyways.

 

[TheCusian]

The thing is, there are no "arguments" among ND alumni, administrators and fans. They are the only ones whose opinions count for anything on this issue. The ideas/bias/wishes of fans of other schools have no bearing or relevance to this . http://www.si.com/college-football/...hting-irish-college-football-playoff-stanford http://www.ndinsider.com/football/n...cle_66467634-7dc6-11e5-9151-9b610b66873e.html http://irish.nbcsports.com/2014/07/31/for-swarbrick-independence-helps-tell-the-notre-dame-story/

Agree. "We stand together to fight for our independence even if it means less championships, less exposure, and ultimately less championship caliber recruits. Bold eschewing the silly playoff in favor of making their own schedule since forever!"

Just because you're united doesn't mean it's smart.

 

[Stern]

The $ is really not that far off from ACC $. The exposure is big - but ESPN would give them that anyways.

But they don't want to be in a conference. So why take "slightly less" or equal money to join a conference? They have their cake and are eating it too at this point, no reason to change. And if NBC for some odd reason went away or doesn't want to renew at some point down the road, you would have a long line of networks willing to give them the same deal on the condition they DON'T join a conference.

 

[Macky44]

I was with an ND alum the other night and he more or less said he cares more about independence than he does national championships, and that most of his friends from ND (he is 43) feel the same way. FWIW.

Syracuse Lacrosse used to be the same way... I didn't want us to join the ACC either..but it really hasn't hurt our scheduling or perception. They need to get over it.

 

[elimunelson]

But they don't want to be in a conference. So why take "slightly less" or equal money to join a conference? They have their cake and are eating it too at this point, no reason to change. And if NBC for some odd reason went away or doesn't want to renew at some point down the road, you would have a long line of networks willing to give them the same deal on the condition they DON'T join a conference.

I just see the playoff committee ultimately making it a stipulation that you need to be in a conference to compete in the playoff. It won't be a decision, it will be a forced decision.

 

[Alsacs]

NBC has nothing to do with ND not joining a conference. ABC/ESPN would put their games whatever time ND wanted.

Notre Dame will never join a conference fully EVER unless it becomes mandated by NCAA/P5 rules to be eligible for the CFB playoffs.

The SEC/Pac12 don't care about ND. Big XII has no power. The ACC/B1G want ND. ND wants nothing to do with the B1G. So the B1G prefers the status quo rather than pushing ND to the ACC and making them more powerful.

Unless the B1G decides it wants ND in the ACC and hates Independence that much the P5/NCAA will never mandate teams be in a conference.

ND needs to go 12-0 to be in the CFB playoff. 11-1 and 4 conference champions with equal resumes they aren't getting in.

 

[storange]

NBC has nothing to do with ND not joining a conference. ABC/ESPN would put their games whatever time ND wanted.

Notre Dame will never join a conference fully EVER unless it becomes mandated by NCAA/P5 rules to be eligible for the CFB playoffs.

The SEC/Pac12 don't care about ND. Big XII has no power. The ACC/B1G want ND. ND wants nothing to do with the B1G. So the B1G prefers the status quo rather than pushing ND to the ACC and making them more powerful.

Unless the B1G decides it wants ND in the ACC and hates Independence that much the P5/NCAA will never mandate teams be in a conference.

ND needs to go 12-0 to be in the CFB playoff. 11-1 and 4 conference champions with equal resumes they aren't getting in.

its not the exposure its the amount of $$$$$.

 

[Alsacs]

its not the exposure its the amount of $$$$$.

Notre Dame could make more money in Big Ten it is a fact. They hate the conference and Michigan for blackballing them in the 1930's.
ND would likely make more money in the ACC because it cause a channel to be formed.

ND doesn't care about money as the end all be all they leave a few million on the table and get to remain independent.

Only way they join a conference is if the Big Ten forces them into the ACC and that makes zero sense and won't happen.