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Message: [QUOTE="omniorange, post: 1224030, member: 636"] Agreed that a conference champions only playoff model would likely force ND to join a conference fully, but not sure it needs be a mandated one. First step, as I see it, is to get the Big 12 to twelve and have their championship game. Second step is then the committee consistently chooses 4 of the 5 conference champions for the CFP unless a 12-0 ND is in the mix and 2 of the conference champions are not at least 12-1. That could effectively be the same as a mandated conference champions only model. But we are a long way from that yet. However, let's end one myth right here and now. When a conference schedules 5 of your 12 games each and every year and you need to get said conference's permission to only play 4 one year and 6 the next due to previously scheduled games and the conference basically says who your opponents will be from that conference over each three period, you are no longer truly independent, you are now at best semi-independent or 5/8ths ACC affiliated. Presently SU gets to schedule 4 of our 12 games, do we proclaim ourselves to be 1/3 indy? This isn't our grandfather's version of being indy, whether that be ND independence or the old Eastern style independence. I think it best we stop calling them independent since it is what the Irish administration and Irish fans want - for no one to look behind the curtain on their "independence" and see it for the illusion it truly is now. In other words, ND has already taken a huge half step toward conference affiliation that the purists simply do not want to acknowledge while they parade around in their independence clothing. I'd like to say to the emperor you are 5/8ths naked and the awkward parts are showing. Having said all of that, like I have written in this thread and others, the Irish are not going to panic over one's year results. Will the landscape change over the next 10 years again to make them join a conference fully for football? Only time will tell. Cheers, Neil [/QUOTE]

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