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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 2554462, member: 2585"] I hear ya. I just absolutely detest turning expectations into red lines. What if he beats FSU and Clemson, but loses to WMU due to suspensions or something? Pay shouldn't come into it, at all. It's just this question: Is this the coach that is capable of building sustained success here? The answer for Shafer: no. Marrone: yes. Gerg: no. P: maybe - it was trending down? DB: yes, so far. W/L records are a trailing indicator. They are not accurate barometers of a program all by themselves. Loses to G5 schools are not accurate barometers all by themselves. When you are answering that question you take all available info, not just one thing. [/QUOTE]