Offensive Efficiency of SU Guards and Wings

[br801]

The True Shooting Percentage (TS%) numbers below come from this site: http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/syracuse-orange

I like this metric because it factors in both 3-point shooting and free throw shooting.

Jardine​

All Games: 55.3%​

Big East: 49.4%​

V. Top 50: 44.0%​

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Waiters​

All Games: 56.1%​

Big East: 52.9%​

V. Top 50: 38.9%​

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Triche​

All Games: 56.9%​

Big East: 59.2 %​

V. Top 50: 58.5%​

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Joseph​

All Games: 56.3%​

Big East: 54.9%​

V. Top 50: 55.0%​

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Southerland​

All Games: 57.3%​

Big East: 45.7%​

V. Top 50: 42.5%​

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Fair​

All Games: 52.2%​

Big East: 50.7%​

V. Top 50: 41.6%​

Overall, all six of these guys have comparable (and pretty good) TS% numbers. But if you look at how they perform in conference games and against Top 50 opponents, things look a little different.

Joseph and Triche are pretty consistent and Triche actually appears to perform best against the better opponents. Apart from a few games this year, Southerland seems to really fall off in big spots. Surprisingly (at least to me), the efficiency of Waiters and Jardine also drops considerably against the better teams.

I’d be interested in hearing your comments…

 

[Knicks411]

How many top 50 games do we have? Just curious.

As you say, for the most part the numbers are good, though they have tanked the last 8 games, as we can't seem to buy an outside shot. I think for the most part where they are is about right; though the James overall number seems a little inflated. You'd expect the conference numbers to be lower.

 

[br801]

How many top 50 games do we have? Just curious.

As you say, for the most part the numbers are good, though they have tanked the last 8 games, as we can't seem to buy an outside shot. I think for the most part where they are is about right; though the James overall number seems a little inflated. You'd expect the conference numbers to be lower.

It looks like seven Top 50 games.

You are right, the numbers for most of these guys, save for maybe Triche and Joseph, have really fallen off recently.

As for James, he really put up some outrageous numbers against the cupcakes and is dropping like a rock now. Hope he can turn his offense around and stay in the rotation for significant minutes because he now can bring more to the table than just scoring.

 

[SoBeCuse]

I don't have the patience nor time to go through all of these metrics which are fascinating. Are our number of offensive possessions drastically shrinking now due to all of the rebounding woes and giving up so many extra possessions for teams? If this continues then we would need to be extremely efficient with our offensive possessions to stay afloat.

 

[SUSScuse]

Good teams play good defense and you should expect the numbers to go down.
Good offensive teams should have just enough to win if they also play good defense.
Oh, I was talking about Syracuse.

 

[Knicks411]

I don't have the patience nor time to go through all of these metrics which are fascinating. Are our number of offensive possessions drastically shrinking now due to all of the rebounding woes and giving up so many extra possessions for teams? If this continues then we would need to be extremely efficient with our offensive possessions to stay afloat.

A sequence which goes missed shot, offensive rebound, missed shot, offensive rebound, turnover, is just one possession.

So the possession number for each team will almost always be the same, or within 1.

 

[SoBeCuse]

A sequence which goes missed shot, offensive rebound, missed shot, offensive rebound, turnover, is just one possession.

So the possession number for each team will almost always be the same, or within 1.

OK, got it but how about then our scoring 'chances?'

 

[Knicks411]

Not sure what you mean.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Not sure what you mean.

Dragging today. Basically, in layman's terms, it seems that since we are giving teams so many chances to score (due to the poor D rebounding), we will have to be extremely efficient in our offensive possessions to stay afloat. Is this fair to say?

 

[arbitragegls]

ummm...so what does this say...our third guard maybe the overall best player from an efficiency standpoint...wow...can that be true?

 

[Knicks411]

Dragging today. Basically, in layman's terms, it seems that since we are giving teams so many chances to score (due to the poor D rebounding), we will have to be extremely efficient in our offensive possessions to stay afloat. Is this fair to say?

Hmm. Well, yes and no.

Georgetown, despite killing us on the boards last night, didn't even score a point per posession (which is the national average, give or take).

Defensively, we're great at turnign the other team over, very good at forcing misses, and awful at grabbing those rebounds. Our defense is still 14th in the country in points allowed per possession.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Hmm. Well, yes and no.

Georgetown, despite killing us on the boards last night, didn't even score a point per posession (which is the national average, give or take).

Defensively, we're great at turnign the other team over, very good at forcing misses, and awful at grabbing those rebounds. Our defense is still 14th in the country in points allowed per possession.

I get this. The defense is fine mostly up until the time for a rebound happens. It will come back to bite us if the offense can't score or has droughts like that 4 min stretch. GTown is a very good defensive team but they are no offensive machine.

 

[br801]

ummm...so what does this say...our third guard maybe the overall best player from an efficiency standpoint...wow...can that be true?

It says your guy Triche is a very efficient offensive player against all levels of competition. Whether he would maintain that performance if he were to assume a bigger role in the offense is uncertain. And it says nothing about his effectiveness on the defensive end.