Offensive Efficiency...

[SUFan44]

According to KenPom.com, Syracuse is ranked 21st nationally in Offensive Efficiency Rating.

If they continue at this pace, it would be the highest a Syracuse team has ranked offensively since the 34-3 year in 2011-12 (7th).

Just in case you were curious, here are the national ranks offensively & defensively since the national championship year:

2019-20: O: 21st, D: 116th
2018-19: O: 59th, D: 30th
2017-18: O: 135th, D: 5th
2016-17: O: 30th, D: 119th
2015-16: O: 50th, D: 18th
2014-15: O: 117th, D: 20th
2013-14: O: 28th, D: 13th
2012-13: O: 26th, D: 6th
2011-12: O: 7th, D: 16th
2010-11: O: 24th, D: 17th
2009-10: O: 6th, D: 14th
2008-09: O: 10th, D: 39th
2007-08: O: 43rd, D: 75th
2006-07: O: 60th, D: 32nd
2005-06: O: 60th, D: 67th
2004-05: O: 14th, D: 33rd
2003-04: O: 31st, D: 50th
2002-03: O: 17th, D: 14th

Couple things to point out:
- This is our worst defensive team since the 2016-17 Andrew White/John Gillon year, but our best offensive team since Dion Waters/Scoop Jardine/Rick Jackson in 2011-12. Makes sense to me.
- Our defense has been remarkably consistent outside of this year and '16-17, ranking in the top 20 nationally 8 out of the last 11 seasons.
- The offense hasn't been very good since Tyler Ennis left (outside of the '16-17 year when White & Gillon could light it up from 3). No point guard, no bueno.

Thought it was interesting to see in terms of how this team stacks up to past years' teams. I think there's a lot of room for improvement, but defensively it will need to get better if we have any shot at making the tournament.

 

[nyucuse]

According to KenPom.com, Syracuse is ranked 21st nationally in Offensive Efficiency Rating.

If they continue at this pace, it would be the highest a Syracuse team has ranked offensively since the 34-3 year in 2011-12 (7th).

Just in case you were curious, here are the national ranks offensively & defensively since the national championship year:

2019-20: O: 21st, D: 116th
2018-19: O: 59th, D: 30th
2017-18: O: 135th, D: 5th
2016-17: O: 30th, D: 119th
2015-16: O: 50th, D: 18th
2014-15: O: 117th, D: 20th
2013-14: O: 28th, D: 13th
2012-13: O: 26th, D: 6th
2011-12: O: 7th, D: 16th
2010-11: O: 24th, D: 17th
2009-10: O: 6th, D: 14th
2008-09: O: 10th, D: 39th
2007-08: O: 43rd, D: 75th
2006-07: O: 60th, D: 32nd
2005-06: O: 60th, D: 67th
2004-05: O: 14th, D: 33rd
2003-04: O: 31st, D: 50th
2002-03: O: 17th, D: 14th

Couple things to point out:
- This is our worst defensive team since the 2016-17 Andrew White/John Gillon year, but our best offensive team since Dion Waters/Scoop Jardine/Rick Jackson in 2011-12. Makes sense to me.
- Our defense has been remarkably consistent outside of this year and '16-17, ranking in the top 20 nationally 8 out of the last 11 seasons.
- The offense hasn't been very good since Tyler Ennis left (outside of the '16-17 year when White & Gillon could light it up from 3). No point guard, no bueno.

Thought it was interesting to see in terms of how this team stacks up to past years' teams. I think there's a lot of room for improvement, but defensively it will need to get better if we have any shot at making the tournament.

When you lay it out like this, man it's a lot of years since the NC...

 

[Cusefan0307]

The offensive style we are playing this year is what I have been begging for years.

 

[rrlbees]

Interesting data. The times we’ve been top 20 in both offense and defense were the championship season and the 11/12 and 09/10 seasons. 09/10 was the best composite. Those two teams were so good. Damn Butler and OSU.

 

[Alsacs]

This basically shows Syracuse is really good when we have a top 25(26) offense.

I have said put Buddy or Hughes on the 2014 team that team would be a NC favorite.

The defense just needs a defensive big for the middle.

 

[Trueblue25]

Jeez we missed some great opportunities at another ‘ship or two

 

[OrangeDW]

Jeez we missed some great opportunities at another ‘ship or two

2010 and 2012 teams at full strength were better teams than a lot of champions from the last 15 years.

 

[rrlbees]

The defense just needs a defensive big for the middle.

I think our defensive issue is up top by far.

 

[ElwoodJBlues]

Interesting data. The times we’ve been top 20 in both offense and defense were the championship season and the 11/12 and 09/10 seasons. 09/10 was the best composite. Those two teams were so good. Damn Butler and OSU (via John Higgins’s terrible first half).

Fixed this.

 

[SUFan44]

What's also interesting is that the data reflects the fatal flaws of each team that we had...

2004-05 was a great offensive team with Warrick/GMac, but Vermont's offense is what hurt us in the first round (and Warrick's unprecedented number of turnovers).

2008-09 was also a great offensive year with Flynn & Devo, but those two at the top of the zone were abysmal.

2012-13 was an elite defensive team that could struggle at times offensively.

And of course, the best two years since the national title were 2009-10 (6th & 14th) and 2011-12 (7th & 16th).

I am a firm believer that if Arinze doesn't get hurt and/or Fab Melo is eligible, we win at least one of those years. At least.

 

[Sherman20]

According to KenPom.com, Syracuse is ranked 21st nationally in Offensive Efficiency Rating.

If they continue at this pace, it would be the highest a Syracuse team has ranked offensively since the 34-3 year in 2011-12 (7th).

Just in case you were curious, here are the national ranks offensively & defensively since the national championship year:

2019-20: O: 21st, D: 116th
2018-19: O: 59th, D: 30th
2017-18: O: 135th, D: 5th
2016-17: O: 30th, D: 119th
2015-16: O: 50th, D: 18th
2014-15: O: 117th, D: 20th
2013-14: O: 28th, D: 13th
2012-13: O: 26th, D: 6th
2011-12: O: 7th, D: 16th
2010-11: O: 24th, D: 17th
2009-10: O: 6th, D: 14th
2008-09: O: 10th, D: 39th
2007-08: O: 43rd, D: 75th
2006-07: O: 60th, D: 32nd
2005-06: O: 60th, D: 67th
2004-05: O: 14th, D: 33rd
2003-04: O: 31st, D: 50th
2002-03: O: 17th, D: 14th

Couple things to point out:
- This is our worst defensive team since the 2016-17 Andrew White/John Gillon year, but our best offensive team since Dion Waters/Scoop Jardine/Rick Jackson in 2011-12. Makes sense to me.
- Our defense has been remarkably consistent outside of this year and '16-17, ranking in the top 20 nationally 8 out of the last 11 seasons.
- The offense hasn't been very good since Tyler Ennis left (outside of the '16-17 year when White & Gillon could light it up from 3). No point guard, no bueno.

Thought it was interesting to see in terms of how this team stacks up to past years' teams. I think there's a lot of room for improvement, but defensively it will need to get better if we have any shot at making the tournament.

Yeah, I saw this too. We jumped another 10-15 spots in offensive efficiency after last night’s college games. Of course these numbers fluctuate every day based on what other teams are doing. But it’s been fun to watch this team grow and improve on offense, and the first half last night with both teams was a joy to watch. However, while our offense has improved remarkably, our defense has gotten worse—much worse. We dropped from 96 in KenPom defensive efficiency to 116 after the game. Yikes. This could be a historically bad Syracuse defensive team—worse than 2017. Buddy and Joe are really good shooters and good offensive players, but bad defenders because of their lack of size and athleticism (and Joe still learning what to do in the zone).

 

[Orangezoo]

Interesting data. The times we’ve been top 20 in both offense and defense were the championship season and the 11/12 and 09/10 seasons. 09/10 was the best composite. Those two teams were so good. Damn Butler and OSU.

Damn Gtown as well...

 

[Orangezoo]

What is interesting is that we have played some really good and then really bad offenses this year. For instance per Ken Pom-

Iowa- 14th L
Georgetown-24 L
Penn State- 36th L
Notre Dame -47th LW
VPI- 59th LW
North Florida -62W
Colgate- 71

Outliers

Oklahoma St-168 L ( this may be the biggest What of all)
UVA - 259 LW ( they are second defensively)

Upcoming

Pitt 91, Clemson 188 and then Duke is 8

We have to win offensively and get chunks of stops defensively just as we have been doing. The good news is most of the dominant 3 pt shooting squads are in the lower ranks we have already played. After the next two we should see Defensive drop back into the 80s at least.

 

[Scotch]

This basically shows Syracuse is really good when we have a top 25(26) offense.

I have said put Buddy or Hughes on the 2014 team that team would be a NC favorite.

The defense just needs a defensive big for the middle.

I would also say big, athletic guards have been critical to our defensive efficiency, and we don't have the same type of athlete up top this year. I always remember Jay Bilas describing Dion and Brandon Triche as two linebackers at the top of the zone.

 

[OrangeFoo]

According to KenPom.com, Syracuse is ranked 21st nationally in Offensive Efficiency Rating.

If they continue at this pace, it would be the highest a Syracuse team has ranked offensively since the 34-3 year in 2011-12 (7th).

Just in case you were curious, here are the national ranks offensively & defensively since the national championship year:

2019-20: O: 21st, D: 116th
2018-19: O: 59th, D: 30th
2017-18: O: 135th, D: 5th
2016-17: O: 30th, D: 119th
2015-16: O: 50th, D: 18th
2014-15: O: 117th, D: 20th
2013-14: O: 28th, D: 13th
2012-13: O: 26th, D: 6th
2011-12: O: 7th, D: 16th
2010-11: O: 24th, D: 17th
2009-10: O: 6th, D: 14th
2008-09: O: 10th, D: 39th
2007-08: O: 43rd, D: 75th
2006-07: O: 60th, D: 32nd
2005-06: O: 60th, D: 67th
2004-05: O: 14th, D: 33rd
2003-04: O: 31st, D: 50th
2002-03: O: 17th, D: 14th

Couple things to point out:
- This is our worst defensive team since the 2016-17 Andrew White/John Gillon year, but our best offensive team since Dion Waters/Scoop Jardine/Rick Jackson in 2011-12. Makes sense to me.
- Our defense has been remarkably consistent outside of this year and '16-17, ranking in the top 20 nationally 8 out of the last 11 seasons.
- The offense hasn't been very good since Tyler Ennis left (outside of the '16-17 year when White & Gillon could light it up from 3). No point guard, no bueno.

Thought it was interesting to see in terms of how this team stacks up to past years' teams. I think there's a lot of room for improvement, but defensively it will need to get better if we have any shot at making the tournament.

I wonder what happens if we adjust this for the extended 3 pt circle we are seeing this year. As one of the announcers pointed out last night, thanks to Steph, kids practice the deep three pretty regularly and they are all strong enough to hit it to the point where most teams have two or three duded who can hit the 3 even with the extend line at a pretty good clip. We all hypothesized that this would stretch the zone to the breaking point as it makes it THAT much harder to recover. I think a lot of the issues we are seeing might be that hypothesis being proven true right before our eyes... our guys are just a second too late more often than not. Or they have to close so hard that they leave the interior wide open... just a lot more space for an offense to exploit. Some of it is probably footspeed but Hughes and Girard aren't THAT much slower, if any than our usual guards and from a forward line perspective Marek, Sidibe and Guerrier are probably as quick or quicker than our average player at those positions.

Long way of saying we might just have to get used to the zone getting torched more often. If the tradeoff is we get more shooters and more offense into the game I'm all for it. If we tried to play man with this team it would be a complete bloodbath.

 

[jdubs30]

We’re also the 2nd best offense team in the ACC and 1st in FT percentage at 76.9%

 

[Oakland]

Our guards are certainly weaker on defense than we would like: 39% of opponent FGA made (ranked 30th, pretty good) and 31% (seems good) of their 3pt attempts (ranked 78th, but is actually so-so). However, the real problem, like so many seasons, is our defensive rebounding which is ranked 143th (NCAA) or 154th (ESPN).

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I think our defensive issue is up top by far.

 

[MikeSU02]

What's also interesting is that the data reflects the fatal flaws of each team that we had...

2004-05 was a great offensive team with Warrick/GMac, but Vermont's offense is what hurt us in the first round (and Warrick's unprecedented number of turnovers).

2008-09 was also a great offensive year with Flynn & Devo, but those two at the top of the zone were abysmal.

2012-13 was an elite defensive team that could struggle at times offensively.

And of course, the best two years since the national title were 2009-10 (6th & 14th) and 2011-12 (7th & 16th).

I am a firm believer that if Arinze doesn't get hurt and/or Fab Melo is eligible, we win at least one of those years. At least.

At least with 2012, UK won it all who would have posed a tough challenge for us.

2010 laid out perfectly. If we beat Butler, we face KSU coming off a double OT game on a short turnaround and then MSU with a key injury. Title game against a Duke team where Kyle Singler was the MOP of the Final Four.

 

[rrlbees]

Our guards are certainly weaker on defense than we would like: 39% of opponent FGA made (ranked 30th, pretty good) and 31% (seems good) of their 3pt attempts (ranked 78th, but is actually so-so). However, the real problem, like so many seasons, is our defensive rebounding which is ranked 143th (NCAA) or 154th (ESPN).

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Like you said, like so many seasons. It’s not so much player dependent.

 

[SUFan44]

At least with 2012, UK won it all who would have posed a tough challenge for us.

2010 laid out perfectly. If we beat Butler, we face KSU coming off a double OT game on a short turnaround and then MSU with a key injury. Title game against a Duke team where Kyle Singler was the MOP of the Final Four.

Still remember being at Stout NYC when Arinze went down.

We weren't beating Georgetown that day anyway (likely), but what a depressing day.

That being said, we still could have done it had it not been for Brad Stevens & his grab/clutch/hold Butler team. What a miserable game.

 

[upperdeck]

the guards struggle at times with the entry to the middle. but Sid is also very slow at seeing it and often when he does he doesnt react to the dump down pass.

 

[IthacaMatt]

We’re also the 2nd best offense team in the ACC and 1st in FT percentage at 76.9%

"First in FT %"
I don't think I've ever read those words before regarding an Orange team.

 

[IthacaMatt]

At least with 2012, UK won it all who would have posed a tough challenge for us.

2010 laid out perfectly. If we beat Butler, we face KSU coming off a double OT game on a short turnaround and then MSU with a key injury. Title game against a Duke team where Kyle Singler was the MOP of the Final Four.

Kentucky in 2012 was the game people were begging for. Anthony Davis vs. Fab Melo. That would have been a hell of a game.

 

[FrancoPizza]

If we tried to play man with this team it would be a complete bloodbath.

Uh, no. We already suck at defense this year. We'd just suck playing it differently. The notion that we'd be worse is just that - a notion - without any real commitment to finding out.

 

[721Comstock]

"First in FT %"
I don't think I've ever read those words before regarding an Orange team.

So - NOBODY remembers John Gillon, Uncle Drew, Rico, & Battle??

Nobody?

I mean, yeah, we might want to block that overall season out of our collective memories, but they were GREAT from the FT line & from 3.

Gillon set school record for consecutive FT makes.

And we needed every last damn one of them.