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Message: [QUOTE="OrangeDW, post: 2300389, member: 2458"] LOL! They're even trashing Carmelo over there! Like, I don't care that Ray Allen buddied up with two other hall of famers and was the third best player on a champion or s shooter off the bench for Miami...he was not a better player than Carmelo. Ever. And Ray was great. Nothing but respect for him as a player and his career. But Carmelo was better by any measure. If Melo is able to buddy up with the right guys, he can win a title too. Ray wasn't winning squat in Milwaukee or Seattle as their best guy, just like Melo wasn't in Denver or NY(just a terrible franchise). Organizations win in the NBA. It's why just a few teams have won the majority of the titles in the last 35 years. And the personal shots on Melo read like some mouthbreather on YouTube or facebook. I mean, Ray's Boston teammates disowned him and George Karl hated him too. Who cares? Still a great player. Not as great as Melo. [/QUOTE]