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Message: [QUOTE="Lou_C, post: 2370739, member: 3201"] Good game guys. I definitely feel your pain. ACC refs are trash. I agree with you on that roughing the passer call...that was nonsense. On the other side...how about that horse collar as Akers going into the end zone...not only is it a textbook horse collar, it's right in front of the ref. Granted...as it would be enforced on the kickoff, not much of an impact, but just another inexplicable call/no call. Why have the rule? I don't know if the ACC refs are by far the worst, I watch a lot of football and there is some pretty horrendous officiating out there. But the thing that really separates ACC officiating to me is that ACC refs seem to think that they're the third team on the field. That if they're out there, they're out there for a reason. They seem to have a strong need to make their impact felt. Nothing the ACC refs love to do more is to flag an extremely marginal violation that turns a game situation around. Someone breaks a long run or return...refs are scanning for a weak block in the back or hold to bring it back. Great defensive play...turn the narrative with a late hit or defensive holding away from the play. I think their extremely dubious targeting and late hit calls fall into this category. They definitely call a "ooh it looks bad, I need to throw a flag and show who's in charge." They seem to be specifically LOOKING for the chance to call those.' ACC officials are in love with "gotcha" calls and "we are in control here" penalties. The crazy thing is, they are the same way in basketball. There seems to be a mentality in ACC officiating that "our presence must be felt". Not that we're here to let the two teams play and just make sure it's fair...they need to control the game. When it comes to just human error or missing things, I think they are probably bad in the way most of the other conferences' officials are bad...it's that extra "activist" flavor that separates them. I don't know how many of the dubious calls yesterday fit in that category...maybe the late hit. I can't remember the exact timeline of that Dungy out of bounds play so maybe it doesn't apply, but that's at least the type of thing they love to jump on "Ha, only I saw he stepped out of bounds!" I also thought for about 20 years that the ACC alone skewed their officiating in football to level the playing field for the underdog, 100% opposite of what they do in basketball. However there's no doubt in my mind that watching the last 3-4 years they got with the program of every other conference and now give their national contenders the benefit of the doubt. I have no idea if that impacted our game, as we both kind of stink and are fighting for bowl contention, but I could see the argument that FSU in a bowl is a bigger brand. [/QUOTE]

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