Ohio State Number One?

[Niastri]

I think in spite of the loss, Ohio State may keep most of their number one votes and will wind up top ranked in spite of their loss.

I am not sure this would be a mistake.

Kentucky is a very talented, but not great team. Syracuse is very talented, but hasn't shown much, or beaten anybody yet. Louisville is fairly no name, and has rocketed up the rankings on a bunch of no name victories, except Vanderbilt, whom has proven very beatable.

Syracuse has beaten Florida and nobody else. RPI has us at 4 but with 19 SOS. Ohio State (RPI 20 SOS 134) has also played Florida and crushed Duke. They lose on the road to Kansas (47RPI 43SOS) tonight.

However, we all know the only rankings that matter are public opinion. With Sullinger out, and with Kansas being a very good team, I think both voting bodies give Ohio State a walk on their loss.

Kentucky clearly loses all their votes, since they lost to a non ranked Indiana team, and the pollsters won't admit they made a mistake on calling Indiana a bad team. Kentucky will lose all those votes. Those votes go to...

Syracuse: Undefeated and looking very good. Dominant defensive team, no half court offense. No great victories. (I am sure most of those who vote wouldn't know what I was talking about with my succinct opinion of our team)

Louisville, Baylor, Marquette, Xavier, and Missouri. I think the Polls will only want to choose Louisville out of these teams. The rest have no recent Top 5 history, and each of them will need another couple wins before they solidify their roles as top teams.

So, Ohio State steals some of Kentucky's votes, Syracuse steals some more, the ranks stack. Our boys UNC and Duke move back up, despite recent losses and with great name recognition. In the end, Ohio State keeps many of their votes, steals enough from Kentucky, and Syracuse bumps up only a notch. Not my choice, but sometimes injuries help the team who loses their guy. This will be one of those times.

Note, this is a guess how the voters will rank us, not what I think is fair. That said... Are we better than Ohio State with Sullinger, or Kentucky in spite of a bad loss to Indiana? Or even UNC with their lottery pick talent (and two losses)?

1) Ohio State
2) Syracuse
3) Louisville
4) UNC
5) Kentucky
6) Duke
7) Baylor
8) Xavior (Crushing Cincinatti would have gotten them more if Cinci hadn't sucked this year)
9 )UCOnn
10) Missouri

With a bunch of non power basketball programs, I wouldn't be surprised if Marquette's nice start takes them another two weeks of unbeaten ball to hit the top ten.

Syracuse might not deserve the top ranking, especially with Ohio State losing to a good team on the road without their best player.

My bet is we wind up number two this week, as many pollsters aren't as dumb as we all think.

 

[nycfan]

That's crazy. Although I am the first to admit that Ohio State most likely has the better team with Sullinger, SU will be #1 this week. (to be honest, I'm not convinced we're even one of the four 1-seeds at this point, but this is just how the voting works)

 

[PoppyHart]

Missouri's probably been the most impressive team all year.

 

[Niastri]

My opinion is crazy, or the fact that many pollsters won't even know that Sullinger was out for this game, yet still get votes?

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Not a chance in hell that OSU moves up to #1 with their loss...not a chance. I doubt they even get a #1 vote.

Syracuse will get 95% of the #1 votes come Monday...if not all of them.

 

[Niastri]

Missouri's probably been the most impressive team all year.

Really? Because they whooped Notre Dame minus their best player? Because Nova is easier game this year than in a decade? Who has Missouri beaten? I know it isn't their fault that normally good teams like ND and Nova are bad this year, but why would you say something like this without at least looking it up? Poppy, did you watch one game where Missouri looked good?

Was their win over Cal your deciding factor? Cal has played two teams, and been destroyed by both. I guess the RPI makes you a nice win in that case. However, they will be beaten by most of the Pac 10 this year, based on how they have handled their BCS opponents so far.

 

[Niastri]

Not a chance in hell that OSU moves up to #1 with their loss...not a chance. I doubt they even get a #1 vote.

Syracuse will get 95% of the #1 votes come Monday...if not all of them.

I think you might be naive as to how much hate Syracuse gets in general in the rankings. We shall see.

 

[PoppyHart]

Really? Because they whooped Notre Dame minus their best player? Because Nova is easier game this year than a decade? Who have they beaten? I know it isn't their fault that normally good teams like ND and Nova are bad this year, but why would you say something like this without at least looking it up? Poppy, did you watch one game where Missouri looked good?

Was their win over Cal your deciding factor? Cal has played two teams, and been destroyed by both. I guess the RPI makes you a nice win in that case. However, they will be destroyed by most of the Pac 10 this year, based on how they have handled their BCS opponents so far.

I think your reply speaks for your knowledge of the game. Nothing more needs to be said.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I think you might be naive as to how much hate Syracuse gets in general in the rankings. We shall see.

I may be many things, but naive is typically not one of them.

 

[Niastri]

I think your reply speaks for your knowledge of the game. Nothing more needs to be said.

So in other words... Somebody breaking down the schedule of each of the teams in question was more than you can figure out?

Do you have something actually to say, Poppy, that might refute my analysis of the current top 10? Or of one team in particular?

 

[PoppyHart]

So in other words... Somebody breaking down the schedule of each of the teams in question was more than you can figure out?

Do you have something actually to say, Poppy, that might refute my analysis of the current top 10? Or of one team in particular?

I stand by my statement that Missouri has probably been the most impressive team thus far.

 

[1manwlfpack]

If you think Ohio State is ranked ahead of Syracuse come Monday then your horse blinders are tinted with a color that represents some sort of misperception. Obviously that doesn't mean Syracuse is the better team, but thus far this year Syracuse has done nothing to disprove they are not the number one team. Ohio State and Kentucky have done so. Thus, Syracuse, number one, come Monday.

 

[Niastri]

Let me ask you? If Beating Cal wasn't their most impressive win, what was? This is taken from Real Time RPI... The only teams they have beaten are bad teams. Look at the RPI rankings. RPI isn't everything, it isn't particularly great. But look at the won loss of the BCS teams Missouri has beaten. Nova and Notre Dame with a combined 11-7 during cupcake season! Cal whom I have already said sucks. Maybe I am missing out on the merits of a bunch of mid majors with a combined 13-26 record? If they haven't beaten a good major, and have crushed a bunch of bad mid majors, what have they done to merit your love?

I stand by my statement that Missouri has probably been the most impressive team thus far.

11-11 SE Missouri St. 2-5 (0-0) 216 83-68 W
11-14 Mercer 5-3 (1-1) 113 81-63 W
11-17 Niagara 3-6 (0-2) 174 83-52 W
11-21 Notre Dame 6-4 (0-0) 178 87-58 W
$ 11-22 vs California 7-2 (0-0) 66 92-53 W
11-27 Binghamton 0-7 (0-0) 342 88-59 W
12-02 Northwestern St. 3-5 (0-0) 256 90-56 W
12-06 at Villanova 5-3 (0-0) 106 81-71
W

 

[Niastri]

I stand by my statement that Missouri has probably been the most impressive team thus far.

So, only empty statements like most of what you say on this board. Keep up the good work.

 

[dinno28]

Syracuse will be #1 Monday when the new poles come out ... if you lose you move down ...

 

[CIL]

So, only empty statements like most of what you say on this board. Keep up the good work.

I'm not basketball guru, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I was able to catch the Nova Mizzou game this week and also came away very impressed with Mizzou. Denmon is a hell of a shooter, and that English kid is shooting at an unreal clip as well. The Pressey kid is a nice little playmaker and floor general out there. The only thing they currently lack is size from what I saw, and could get beat up a bit in a physical contest.

 

[cusetown1]

That's crazy. Although I am the first to admit that Ohio State most likely has the better team with Sullinger, SU will be #1 this week. (to be honest, I'm not convinced we're even one of the four 1-seeds at this point, but this is just how the voting works)

Syracuse would beat OSU with Sullinger.

 

[orange79]

Not a chance in hell that OSU moves up to #1 with their loss...not a chance. I doubt they even get a #1 vote.

Syracuse will get 95% of the #1 votes come Monday...if not all of them.

I bet they (OSU) get more than 5% of the 1st place votes. Some voters will give them the benefit of the doubt since they were without Sullinger. But, SU will be #1.

 

[CUSEBB1]

Syracuse would beat OSU with Sullinger.

THIS ^^^^^^^

 

[cusetown1]

I bet they (OSU) get more than 5% of the 1st place votes. Some voters will give them the benefit of the doubt since they were without Sullinger. But, SU will be #1.

Those 5% of OSU voters ironically live in the state of Ohio.

 

[texascpa]

OP, what do you mean we haven't beaten anybody yet? What's Florida? Chopped liver? What about Stanford with wins over NCSU and OKie St? Geeze Louise people, get a grip. We are good, very good. Deal with it!

 

[BuffOrange]

I think you might be naive as to how much hate Syracuse gets in general in the rankings. We shall see.

I think you're naive as to how voters vote. It doesn't matter if your best player has the flu and you lose to the Lakers on the road - unless you have two fewer losses than everyone else, you move down when you lose.
Heck, people here were outraged when Gary Parrish still voted Kansas #1 after they lost to @Ok St a couple years ago - imo his position was reasonable but he was of course in the minority.

 

[Noexcuse]

Syracuse will be #1 Monday when the new poles come out ... if you lose you move down ...

Yes, this is how it works. I think sometimes pollsters give the benefit of the doubt to teams that lose who are not vying for the number 1 position and they don't move them down as much as they should - Duke for instance in past years. But the undefeated teams tend to move up, particularly early in the season.

 

[kcsu]

You dont lose and retain number 1 they will drop to 3-4

 

[PeteCalvin]

I think in spite of the loss, Ohio State may keep most of their number one votes and will wind up top ranked in spite of their loss.

I am not sure this would be a mistake.

Kentucky is a very talented, but not great team. Syracuse is very talented, but hasn't shown much, or beaten anybody yet. Louisville is fairly no name, and has rocketed up the rankings on a bunch of no name victories, except Vanderbilt, whom has proven very beatable.

Syracuse has beaten Florida and nobody else. RPI has us at 4 but with 19 SOS. Ohio State (RPI 20 SOS 134) has also played Florida and crushed Duke. They lose on the road to Kansas (47RPI 43SOS) tonight.

However, we all know the only rankings that matter are public opinion. With Sullinger out, and with Kansas being a very good team, I think both voting bodies give Ohio State a walk on their loss.

Kentucky clearly loses all their votes, since they lost to a non ranked Indiana team, and the pollsters won't admit they made a mistake on calling Indiana a bad team. Kentucky will lose all those votes. Those votes go to...

Syracuse: Undefeated and looking very good. Dominant defensive team, no half court offense. No great victories. (I am sure most of those who vote wouldn't know what I was talking about with my succinct opinion of our team)

Louisville, Baylor, Marquette, Xavier, and Missouri. I think the Polls will only want to choose Louisville out of these teams. The rest have no recent Top 5 history, and each of them will need another couple wins before they solidify their roles as top teams.

So, Ohio State steals some of Kentucky's votes, Syracuse steals some more, the ranks stack. Our boys UNC and Duke move back up, despite recent losses and with great name recognition. In the end, Ohio State keeps many of their votes, steals enough from Kentucky, and Syracuse bumps up only a notch. Not my choice, but sometimes injuries help the team who loses their guy. This will be one of those times.

Note, this is a guess how the voters will rank us, not what I think is fair. That said... Are we better than Ohio State with Sullinger, or Kentucky in spite of a bad loss to Indiana? Or even UNC with their lottery pick talent (and two losses)?

1) Ohio State
2) Syracuse
3) Louisville
4) UNC
5) Kentucky
6) Duke
7) Baylor
8) Xavior (Crushing Cincinatti would have gotten them more if Cinci hadn't sucked this year)
9 )UCOnn
10) Missouri

With a bunch of non power basketball programs, I wouldn't be surprised if Marquette's nice start takes them another two weeks of unbeaten ball to hit the top ten.

Syracuse might not deserve the top ranking, especially with Ohio State losing to a good team on the road without their best player.

My bet is we wind up number two this week, as many pollsters aren't as dumb as we all think.

You're suggesting that the college bball coaches and writers vote like their football counterparts. They don't. The team that doesn't lose moves up. It's that simple and always has been. It'll be SU, Louisville, Duke , UNC, OSU and UK.