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Message: [QUOTE="Alsacs, post: 1368767, member: 652"] How much time? Dave Doeren came to NC State the same time Scott Shafer was hired to be the SU coach.According to ESPN and 247 in 2014 NC State had 34th best recruiting class and 7th in the ACC and in 2015 had the 30th best recruiting class and 6th in the ACC. Syracuse in 2014 had the 50th in the nation and 10th in the ACC AND in 2015 we had 57th ranked in the nation and 12 in the ACC. Nobody is calling Doeren great at recruiting. Cutcliffe had connections from his OC days at Tennessee and time as HC at Ole Miss. Plus, a Duke education appeals to some recruits. [/QUOTE]