Old stuff revisited

[Shenexon]

What was my assessment of Mali?

I don't know for sure but think perhaps this was written to you: link

with the author's perception of your opinion the same as the poster above...

 

[Briancuse]

I don't know for sure but think perhaps this was written to you: link

with the author's perception of your opinion the same as the poster above...

And like 90 percent of the other people here, and on draft sites. Whoever Jeff Kelly is, he has some anger issues, may want to work on that.

 

[two3zone]

What was my assessment of Mali?

You don't think he is ready yet the guy has been talked about as being a top 10 pick and at minimum a first round pick. But you think Roberson is an NBA player. You can see how people are going question your assesments for college to NBA players.

 

[Briancuse]

You don't think he is ready yet the guy has been talked about as being a top 10 pick and at minimum a first round pick. But you think Roberson is an NBA player. You can see how people are going question your assesments for college to NBA players.

So did 90 percent of the people here, and pretty much every draft site up until a couple of weeks ago. The draft hasn't even happened yet, and the guy hasn't played one minute of nba basketball, so there is a lot to be determined.

 

[Digger]

With his size/length + skill-set, Roberson has realistically no chance to ever make an NBA roster.

IMO just appreciate his collegiate contributions and hope he has a successful career overseas.

 

[Dave85]

Roberson has a SF body playing PF. He gives you virtually no offense and isn't as big as a Tristan Thompson nor does he have as consistent a motor. I'd be shocked if he ever plays in the NBA.

I think Roberson got a little burnt out during his Junior season. I think he's going to play a lot better now that the end is in site and this is his last chance to really improve his NBA draft stock. We've seen lots of juniors over the years make a pretty huge leap their senior year. CBB is real grind along classes. I am hopeful Roberson has a senior season compatible to Xmas or Rick Jackson in terms of turning it up a notch.

 

[orangejunkie]

Hopefully Roberson spends some serious time working on his deficiencies on the offensive end of the court this off season. He has an NBA future, but his flaws raise serious questions about that potential.

 

[realorange]

Actually I was a huge Christmas believer and knew what he was capable of which, but you wouldn't know that because it doesn't help your argument.

I never said Roberson wasn't a good player nor couldn't put up a great season. Playing well and playing in the NBA are two different animals. What position can Roberson play in the NBA? He surely can't play the 4 because of his size and he can't play the three because of his skill set. I don't know what's hard to understand about that.

Nothing hard to understand based on where he was at last season.

I'm saying that he will improve enough this season to change that opinion.

 

[two3zone]

Nothing hard to understand based on where he was at last season.

I'm saying that he will improve enough this season to change that opinion.

Improving and doing very well isn't what is being discussed, it's about his NBA future.

 

[realorange]

Improving and doing very well isn't what is being discussed, it's about his NBA future.

Improvement changing the opinion of him being NBA material.

 

[HOFCeluck]

And like 90 percent of the other people here, and on draft sites. Whoever Jeff Kelly is, he has some anger issues, may want to work on that.

That guy posts here as Jekelish. Hes a pretty good poster.

And the fact is that you doubled and tripled down on Mali making a mistake. This in spite of the fact that it couldnt be more obvious (except to you aparently) that Scouts/GMs were basing their assessments on data outside of six minutes of magic vs Uva.

 

[Dave85]

That guy posts here as Jekelish. Hes a pretty good poster.

And the fact is that you doubled and tripled down on Mali making a mistake. This in spite of the fact that it couldnt be more obvious (except to you aparently) that Scouts/GMs were basing their assessments on data outside of six minutes of magic vs Uva.

Quadruple down, maybe more!

 

[two3zone]

Improvement changing the opinion of him being NBA material.

You have yet once to address his size issue.

 

[SBU72]

Capt tuttle said "#5 - we would have had a different NCAA draw, and likely worse result." Maybe. maybe not. Was it more fun to watch a 10 seed proceed to the FF or been better as a 4, 5, 6 seed making it. NO criticism, just asking.

As for those who debat Robersons' pro worhtiness, if consisitancy was a criteria, Malichi would not be as highly thought of as he is. He was very streaky IMO. Good but streaky. I agree with those who point out how Xmas and G are good examples of guys who put it togeather their sr years to become prospects. Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Roberson have a nice looking touch from 12 ft towards the end of his freshman year? Some were perdicting big things his soph year but he hasn't shoot well.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Capt tuttle said "#5 - we would have had a different NCAA draw, and likely worse result." Maybe. maybe not. Was it more fun to watch a 10 seed proceed to the FF or been better as a 4, 5, 6 seed making it. NO criticism, just asking.

As for those who debat Robersons' pro worhtiness, if consisitancy was a criteria, Malichi would not be as highly thought of as he is. He was very streaky IMO. Good but streaky. I agree with those who point out how Xmas and G are good examples of guys who put it togeather their sr years to become prospects. Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Roberson have a nice looking touch from 12 ft towards the end of his freshman year? Some were perdicting big things his soph year but he hasn't shoot well.

Consistency doesn't matter as much for a freshman because they still have upside.

In Roberson's case, IMO, he will have to overcome two things: 1. The idea that he's a finished product and 2. He put up numbers because he's a grown man big boy-ing kids.

 

[realorange]

You have yet once to address his size issue.

Is he as tall as Charles Barkley? Not saying Robby is in his class, but people said the same thing about Charles before he went to the NBA. Too short.

 

[721Comstock]

Is he as tall as Charles Barkley? Not saying Robby is in his class, but people said the same thing about Charles before he went to the NBA. Too short.

Great rebounders who are "undersized" are a rare breed - which is why you hear about the exceptions (Barkley, Rodman, Larry Johnson), because they are so few and far between.

As good as Roberson is - he's not in that league.
Yet.

 

[two3zone]

Is he as tall as Charles Barkley? Not saying Robby is in his class, but people said the same thing about Charles before he went to the NBA. Too short.

NBA top 50 player and hall of fame player.

Not all players are created equal. Charles also had a lot more in his bag of tricks than just rebounding.

 

[OrangeDW]

Roberson does one thing really well, which will land you on an Nba roster most of the time, if he has a good year next year, he will end up on someones roster.

He averaged 8-9 rebounds per game. It's not like he has been some insane rebounding machine.

 

[OrangeDW]

He averaged 8-9 rebounds per game. It's not like he has been some insane rebounding machine.

To expand on this, John Wallace averaged 8.4 rebounds per game in college. Roberson averaged 8.5 rpg last year(i wont do his career avg because his freshman year where he barely played drags that down.)

So he's a similar rebounder to John Wallace. Well, Wallace was a complete nonfactor on the boards as an NBA player. He hung around for awhile because he could score.

Carmelo averaged 10 reb. per game at Cuse. He's a 6-7 reb. per game guy in the NBA. A good rebounder for a SF. Billy Owens averaged 11 rpg in a season at Cuse. He was a 6-7 reb per game guy in the pros. Obviously those two were/are really good at almost every other basketball skill and the solid rebounding at the pro level(elite in college) was just part of the package.

It's a different ballgame at that level. Roberson has not demonstrated the level of rebounding ability so far that would even have him on the NBA's radar for his rebounding skills, based on the numbers.

The blueprint for an energy guy in the NBA for his rebounding is Kenneth Farried, in my mind. He averaged 12 rpg for his college career, with over 13 per game as a soph and junior and over 14 per game as a senior. That's a whole different level from what Roberson has shown so far.

 

[Briancuse]

He averaged 8-9 rebounds per game. It's not like he has been some insane rebounding machine.

Thats not a bad number, we all know tr is inconsistent, but you look at the Duke game, and what he did in the tournament, and the potential is there.

 

[OrangeDW]

Thats not a bad number, we all know tr is inconsistent, but you look at the Duke game, and what he did in the tournament, and the potential is there.

8 reb. per game and a couple huge games dont get you in the NBA. If he blossoms into a 13-14 reb. per game monster(Coleman didnt even do that), then he gives himself a chance to make it on his rebounding. 8-9 is good for the college level. Personally just looking at it from a Cuse team perspective, I would be beyond thrilled if he averages 10 reb. per game. I'd be ok of he follows the Ryan Blackwell path of basically staying the same from soph. year on(he was on that path through last year)...nothing wrong with 8 and 8. I'd be thrilled if he makes a jump to 13 and 10 though.

 

[realorange]

NBA top 50 player and hall of fame player.

Not all players are created equal. Charles also had a lot more in his bag of tricks than just rebounding.

Yes he did. You keep moving the bar. Height was your concern. I already said I was not comparing the two other than the fact both were undersized for their position.

 

[MSOrange]

To expand on this, John Wallace averaged 8.4 rebounds per game in college. Roberson averaged 8.5 rpg last year(i wont do his career avg because his freshman year where he barely played drags that down.)

So he's a similar rebounder to John Wallace. Well, Wallace was a complete nonfactor on the boards as an NBA player. He hung around for awhile because he could score.

Carmelo averaged 10 reb. per game at Cuse. He's a 6-7 reb. per game guy in the NBA. A good rebounder for a SF. Billy Owens averaged 11 rpg in a season at Cuse. He was a 6-7 reb per game guy in the pros. Obviously those two were/are really good at almost every other basketball skill and the solid rebounding at the pro level(elite in college) was just part of the package.

It's a different ballgame at that level. Roberson has not demonstrated the level of rebounding ability so far that would even have him on the NBA's radar for his rebounding skills, based on the numbers.

The blueprint for an energy guy in the NBA for his rebounding is Kenneth Farried, in my mind. He averaged 12 rpg for his college career, with over 13 per game as a soph and junior and over 14 per game as a senior. That's a whole different level from what Roberson has shown so far.

Reggie Evans might be another good example. That guy averaged over 11 boards each year in college at Iowa and led the Big 10. To be honest, I'm not sure he had a game under 10 boards. He was truly dominant in college and managed to hang in the NBA for about 13 years because of it.

 

[OrangeDW]

Reggie Evans might be another good example. That guy averaged over 11 boards each year in college at Iowa and led the Big 10. To be honest, I'm not sure he had a game under 10 boards. He was truly dominant in college and managed to hang in the NBA for about 13 years because of it.

Definitely. Honestly, he came to my mind too but I didnt feel like looking up his numbers. Of the few guys in the league for their rebounding and energy(and Evans is a complete spaz...there's no question if he's going to bring it on any night), they were way more prolific rebounders in college than Roberson has been so far.

Not even trying to be negative, Roberson is forever a favorite of mine for the Duke game and tourney run and I'm hoping he caps off his career with a big senior year. Just trying to be realistic. We've had a ton of really good players that didnt really make it in the NBA which is just so hard to do.