On the AQ Question

[OrangePA]

This from Michael Rosenberg in this week's Sports Illustrated: "It [the present BCS system] was chaos wrapped in madness. The only solution was to get rid of the AQ status altogether and start over. Now, [Pac-12 Commissioner Larry] Scott says 'I think there is going to be a healthy level of access and definitlely more money for some of the smaller conferences.' "

Rosenberg also observes that "if the money [under the new system] is divided reasonably, it could reduce the pressure to bolt for other leagues and make conference members feel more like business partners and less like boxing opponents."

To me it sounds like the college football community, including the biggies like the SEC, might actually be thinking about the overall health of the entire sport.

What a concept!

Setting aside greed to some extent?? Can it be??

 

[arbitragegls]

Not so much. The Five Top Conferences are not looking out for the health of college football but rather for their conference and their teams only. Here is why I think this is so:

1. Access has actually not increased and some would say it has been made more difficult for non Top 5 conference teams to make it into the Big 6 Bowls and then the NC
--presumed 6 Top bowls with 3 of them contracted
--Rose (B1G/Pac12), Champions (SEC/Big 12) and Orange (ACC/TBD)
--For the 12 spots only 7 (Orange TBD) are open
--However if teams for the 2 semis are from the Top 5 conferences that leaves only 3 spots available...one for the Orange and 2 for the other Big 6 bowl not mentioned above
--So the BE, Boise State etc are left trying to get to one of those spots...now it is true that a non Top 5 conference team can make the semis if ranked 1-4 that has typically proven difficult to accomplish...but the Top Five conferences most likely get 3 of the spots...NOT MUCH ACCESS THERE or in other bowls since the contracted bowls have to take 5 teams from the contracted conferences--only Orange has a TBD team
2. Dollars are expected to increase greatly for the games
--For example, ACC owns the Orange Bowl TV rights--even when the bowl is a semi and an ACC team doesnt make it to a semi (of course its champion is guaranteed a position in one of the other non semi big 6 bowls)--this should spark a negotiation war for the highest bidder (dont forget one reason the ACC final TV contract came out where it did was because there was no competition--ESPN owned the right to negotiate)
3. NCAA is being cut out of the dollars for the bowls...going to colleges and conferences only...so dollars have increased for the conferences and teams by taking out the NCAA
4. Percentage of dollars that flow to conferences/teams is being discussed now. It has been indicated that the top 5 conferences/teams will take home 55%-65% of available dollars and all others will get the remainder...% not so different from present BCS but a)no NCAA cut and b)more dollars on open market negotiation

So the good feeling about ACCESS and Dollars is that 'Cuse is going to one of the soon to be richer conferences and the BE among others is not going to do as well--of course if the pot gets really, really bigger than the old BCS; maybe the other conferences and teams will do as well as before--but the differential is actual dollar disparity will be far greater.

Now we wait and see what actually is finalized.

 

[OrangePA]

Not so much. The Five Top Conferences are not looking out for the health of college football but rather for their conference and their teams only. Here is why I think this is so:

1. Access has actually not increased and some would say it has been made more difficult for non Top 5 conference teams to make it into the Big 6 Bowls and then the NC
--presumed 6 Top bowls with 3 of them contracted
--Rose (B1G/Pac12), Champions (SEC/Big 12) and Orange (ACC/TBD)
--For the 12 spots only 7 (Orange TBD) are open
--However if teams for the 2 semis are from the Top 5 conferences that leaves only 3 spots available...one for the Orange and 2 for the other Big 6 bowl not mentioned above
--So the BE, Boise State etc are left trying to get to one of those spots...now it is true that a non Top 5 conference team can make the semis if ranked 1-4 that has typically proven difficult to accomplish...but the Top Five conferences most likely get 3 of the spots...NOT MUCH ACCESS THERE or in other bowls since the contracted bowls have to take 5 teams from the contracted conferences--only Orange has a TBD team
2. Dollars are expected to increase greatly for the games
--For example, ACC owns the Orange Bowl TV rights--even when the bowl is a semi and an ACC team doesnt make it to a semi (of course its champion is guaranteed a position in one of the other non semi big 6 bowls)--this should spark a negotiation war for the highest bidder (dont forget one reason the ACC final TV contract came out where it did was because there was no competition--ESPN owned the right to negotiate)
3. NCAA is being cut out of the dollars for the bowls...going to colleges and conferences only...so dollars have increased for the conferences and teams by taking out the NCAA
4. Percentage of dollars that flow to conferences/teams is being discussed now. It has been indicated that the top 5 conferences/teams will take home 55%-65% of available dollars and all others will get the remainder...% not so different from present BCS but a)no NCAA cut and b)more dollars on open market negotiation

So the good feeling about ACCESS and Dollars is that 'Cuse is going to one of the soon to be richer conferences and the BE among others is not going to do as well--of course if the pot gets really, really bigger than the old BCS; maybe the other conferences and teams will do as well as before--but the differential is actual dollar disparity will be far greater.

Now we wait and see what actually is finalized.

Is this all from your NC State source?

 

[arbitragegls]

Is this all from your NC State source?

best answer by saying if you read other threads you will note some of these statements previously said...and yes. With the 3 contracted bowls, 5 teams are automatic...and if any of these conference teams go to a semi, then another team from same conference jumps in...so other teams/conferences are really blocked from at least two of these bowls...and it is possible that Notre Dame and/or another SEC, Big 12, Pac 12 or B1g become opponent in Orange...also nothing to stop one of the teams from the top 5 conferences going to another of the top 6 bowls...so the ACCESS has been lessoned...and the absolute dollars will increase (that is the top 5 conferences plan at any rate)...getting the contractual agreement with the Orange and having the TV rights were a significant need for the ACC.

 

[KaiserUEO]

reading the tea leaves, its possible that the big5 could take home 100% of the money.

4 F4 teams and then they lock down the 6 bowls.

the only party crashers we are really talking about here is utah (pac), tcu (bevo) byu (ok, maybe) boise (flukin useless) and nd (its not the 50s anymore).

so thats been taken care of.

hey storz, go yourself.

 

[OrangePA]

best answer by saying if you read other threads you will note some of these statements previously said...and yes. With the 3 contracted bowls, 5 teams are automatic...and if any of these conference teams go to a semi, then another team from same conference jumps in...so other teams/conferences are really blocked from at least two of these bowls...and it is possible that Notre Dame and/or another SEC, Big 12, Pac 12 or B1g become opponent in Orange...also nothing to stop one of the teams from the top 5 conferences going to another of the top 6 bowls...so the ACCESS has been lessoned...and the absolute dollars will increase (that is the top 5 conferences plan at any rate)...getting the contractual agreement with the Orange and having the TV rights were a significant need for the ACC.

I'm not too confident that the NC State guy is all that great a source.

I mean, didn't he get some things really wrong recently about supposed ACC defections?

It seemed to me that he wasn't really even close in that regard, right?

I think again that the key to the whole thing will be how the money is divided.

It sounds like the power conferences are trying to keep the peace by sharing a bit more.

I guess we'll see if that comes to pass.

 

[All4SU]

This from Michael Rosenberg in this week's Sports Illustrated: "It [the present BCS system] was chaos wrapped in madness. The only solution was to get rid of the AQ status altogether and start over. Now, [Pac-12 Commissioner Larry] Scott says 'I think there is going to be a healthy level of access and definitlely more money for some of the smaller conferences.' "

I just wonder if Larry Scott was referring to the ACC and B12 as "some of the smaller conference."

 

[SU2NASA]

I just wonder if Larry Scott was referring to the ACC and B12 as "some of the smaller conference."

With the Big East no longer receiving an AQ, that's a spot for someone else.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I just wonder if Larry Scott was referring to the ACC and B12 as "some of the smaller conference."

if fla st and miami get their act together, toss in vpi...the pecking order may go SEC, ACC, b1g, pac, bevo.

 

[All4SU]

if fla st and miami get their act together, toss in vpi...the pecking order may go SEC, ACC, b1g, pac, bevo.

I don't think that's much of a stretch. Though I think "Bebo" could be bumped to 4th based on Texas, OU and OSU with WVU/TCU thrown in there. Of course that also means that Texas has to get their schtick together.

 

[oldpinepoint]

I'm not too confident that the NC State guy is all that great a source.

I mean, didn't he get some things really wrong recently about supposed ACC defections?

It seemed to me that he wasn't really even close in that regard, right?

I think again that the key to the whole thing will be how the money is divided.

It sounds like the power conferences are trying to keep the peace by sharing a bit more.

I guess we'll see if that comes to pass.

They key is removing the NCAA from the Money Pie. You can increase everyone share of that precious cash money! While it is perceived as the power conferences keeping the peace i look at as the power conferences buying off the crappier ones.

 

[texascpa]

reading the tea leaves, its possible that the big5 could take home 100% of the money.

4 F4 teams and then they lock down the 6 bowls.

the only party crashers we are really talking about here is utah (pac), tcu (bevo) byu (ok, maybe) boise (flukin useless) and nd (its not the 50s anymore).

so thats been taken care of.

hey storz and Rutgirls, go yourself.

ftfy

 

[arbitragegls]

They key is removing the NCAA from the Money Pie. You can increase everyone share of that precious cash money! While it is perceived as the power conferences keeping the peace i look at as the power conferences buying off the crappier ones.

I'm not too confident that the NC State guy is all that great a source.

I mean, didn't he get some things really wrong recently about supposed ACC defections?

It seemed to me that he wasn't really even close in that regard, right?

I think again that the key to the whole thing will be how the money is divided.

It sounds like the power conferences are trying to keep the peace by sharing a bit more.

I guess we'll see if that comes to pass.

Hey man, think you better go back and read my posts...there is nothing about defections other than what others said...nothing from the Senior Admin at NCState...please show me what you are alluding to....I have never indicated anyone leaving...suggest you get your references and quotes right.

 

[44PRIDE]

At this point, there is no one that knows exactly how much of a payout any particular school will receive. Leave it at this... Every Big-5 school is scheduled to make more per year than they currently make.

 

[OrangePA]

Hey man, think you better go back and read my posts...there is nothing about defections other than what others said...nothing from the Senior Admin at NCState...please show me what you are alluding to....I have never indicated anyone leaving...suggest you get your references and quotes right.

I guess I must be mistaken.

I thought you submitted a post indicating that you had spoken to solid source from NC State who told you that a bunch of teams were leaving the ACC.

I don't know if I can find it, but I seem to remember you sounding the alarm while referencing the guy from State.

What was it then that your NC State source said about the ACC a few weeks back when all the rumors of Clemson and FSU were flying?

 

[All4SU]

I don't see eliminating the NCAA from top-level college sports as ever being good for those sports. At that point, the it's semi-pro -- many would say it is already. But at that point, there would be no doubt.

 

[Moontan]

With the Big East no longer receiving an AQ, that's a spot for someone else.

Why? The NBE had 8 teams. 3 of those have joined the Big Five. 2 others (Utah & TCU) have recently moves from the Little Six to the Big Five as well. The Big Five only has 3 fewer teams than the old BCS 6. Why add more mouths to the Big Boy Table? If the Big Five expand some more, the majority of the FBS will be part of the Haves. Keep sharing some of the wealth with the Little Six and the train will keep on chugging along. One can only wonder how long the independents not named ND can hold on.

 

[Crusty]

The train has left the station. The only question is can anyone run and catch up to it in the next 24 months? If not, just wave goodby.
Where are we putting the statue of Dr Gross?

 

[arbitragegls]

I guess I must be mistaken.

I thought you submitted a post indicating that you had spoken to solid source from NC State who told you that a bunch of teams were leaving the ACC.

I don't know if I can find it, but I seem to remember you sounding the alarm while referencing the guy from State.

What was it then that your NC State source said about the ACC a few weeks back when all the rumors of Clemson and FSU were flying?

I guess I must be mistaken.

I thought you submitted a post indicating that you had spoken to solid source from NC State who told you that a bunch of teams were leaving the ACC.

I don't know if I can find it, but I seem to remember you sounding the alarm while referencing the guy from State.

What was it then that your NC State source said about the ACC a few weeks back when all the rumors of Clemson and FSU were flying?

Thanks for asking:

Go to Whisper Thread which stated:
Interestingly, from Wolfpack country and Senior administrator (cousin), the discussion is heating up. For example, does Notre Dame going to the Big 12--what a poor fit academically, geographically, and from a culture perpsective--have a detrimental effect on the ACC. It could. Does FSU and Clemson for example want to go to the Big 12 and join Notre Dame. Does Notre Dame want to come to the ACC--YES for all non football sports because it is the best fit...private schools, academics, one of fastest growing areas of US (this was poised as questions not fact and followed by other threads that indicated FSU and Clemson not leaving--nor did ACC believe they would ever leave...
by the way, your comment on big 5 quieting the other conferences is a good one. Dollars are going to roll down hill...but the top 5 conferences could do extraordinary well.

 

[OrangePA]

Thanks for asking:

Go to Whisper Thread which stated:
Interestingly, from Wolfpack country and Senior administrator (cousin), the discussion is heating up. For example, does Notre Dame going to the Big 12--what a poor fit academically, geographically, and from a culture perpsective--have a detrimental effect on the ACC. It could. Does FSU and Clemson for example want to go to the Big 12 and join Notre Dame. Does Notre Dame want to come to the ACC--YES for all non football sports because it is the best fit...private schools, academics, one of fastest growing areas of US (this was poised as questions not fact and followed by other threads that indicated FSU and Clemson not leaving--nor did ACC believe they would ever leave...
by the way, your comment on big 5 quieting the other conferences is a good one. Dollars are going to roll down hill...but the top 5 conferences could do extraordinary well.

 

[OrangePA]

So, really just a bunch of provocative questions but no inside info and I guess nothing that turned out to be true?

 

[CaliCuse]

This from Michael Rosenberg in this week's Sports Illustrated: "It [the present BCS system] was chaos wrapped in madness. The only solution was to get rid of the AQ status altogether and start over. Now, [Pac-12 Commissioner Larry] Scott says 'I think there is going to be a healthy level of access and definitlely more money for some of the smaller conferences.' "

Rosenberg also observes that "if the money [under the new system] is divided reasonably, it could reduce the pressure to bolt for other leagues and make conference members feel more like business partners and less like boxing opponents."

To me it sounds like the college football community, including the biggies like the SEC, might actually be thinking about the overall health of the entire sport.

What a concept!

Setting aside greed to some extent?? Can it be??

As long as we understand that this whole construct is a huge "business that involves hundreds of millions of $ you can more easily see and understand the problems that are sure to be inherent. No rocket surgeons required.:crazy:

 

[Stern]

The Big 5 conferences will make all the money. And if they aren't, they will change the landscape and the rules once again so they will. It's only a matter of time before the Big 5 conferences in some way shape or form split away from the NCAA and do their own thing. It's the way college sports is going. Players will be paid within our lifetimes. The NCAA as we know it and "student athletes" as we know it is a dying concept and model.

There is no logical way to spin the Big East losing their AQ status as being a good thing. It makes it tougher for every school in the conference to recruit. It gives their conference champ no exposure at the end of the year on a national platform. It is overall bad for the conference. Even if the check cut to them is a few bucks more than it would have been IF they had an AQ and an Orange or Fiesta bowl spot, its still overall bad. Short Term small financial gain... Long Term SUICIDE!

And if you think the SEC is looking out for the overall health of the sport, that is some naive thinking. The SEC might put on the illusion they care, but their actions show they don't, haven't, and won't going forward. And honestly I don't blame them. Larry Scott's quote is a joke. If the money is divided reasonably,...he said; pretty much telling all the schools in the small conferences like the Sun Belt, MWC, Big East...stay at home, let our schools get all the big bowl games and big paychecks, and a little more money will trickle down to ya in the end. Screw your fans, screw your student athletes/players, screw your coaches, screw your alumni, but at the end of the day the paycheck cut to ya is a few bucks more, so don't be bitching about anything. Thanks for looking out for the little guy Larry! GIVE ME A BREAK!