Once Again The SEC Reveals Itself For What It Is

[OrangePA]

a glorified outlaw conference.

Yuck.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...nient-discipline-marijuana-investigation-says

 

[kingottoiii]

Why? There shouldn't be a drug policy period. People on academic scholarships don't have to take drug test, so why should athletes?

 

[billsin01]

a glorified outlaw conference.

Yuck.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...nient-discipline-marijuana-investigation-says

I understand your disgust, I guess, OP but I don't really agree with it. I think there are a bunch of interesting things about this story:

1) Why is the SEC criticized when there is no standard punishment mandated? If the NCAA gives you leeway, how can you criticize schools for, well, taking different paths?

2) I honestly think you could make an argument that the SEC is somewhat enlightened in the sense that they are imposing softer penalties. I mean, weed is an ingrained part of college life for a huge percentage of students (including student-athletes). I mean, you can criticize schools for not cracking down on it, but then you would need to criticize all schools that turn a blind eye (for the most part) to underage drinking. And that would be ... let me check ... every university in the nation.

3) The argument you always hear for why weed is bad is that it is a gateway drug. This is absurd. Kids experimenting with weed and then other drugs are experimenting b/c they are kids and kids naturally experiment.

4) What editor OK'd this story? I get that it smells like controversy, but ultimately the story is just a way of saying athletes aren't always held to the highest standards at universities, but who doesn't know that already? There's no real story here.

I don't know, I just don't quite understand why people really care about chasing all these drugs around.

 

[BORZAK]

I understand your disgust, I guess, OP but I don't really agree with it. I think there are a bunch of interesting things about this story:

1) Why is the SEC criticized when there is no standard punishment mandated? If the NCAA gives you leeway, how can you criticize schools for, well, taking different paths?

2) I honestly think you could make an argument that the SEC is somewhat enlightened in the sense that they are imposing softer penalties. I mean, weed is an ingrained part of college life for a huge percentage of students (including student-athletes). I mean, you can criticize schools for not cracking down on it, but then you would need to criticize all schools that turn a blind eye (for the most part) to underage drinking. And that would be ... let me check ... every university in the nation.

3) The argument you always hear for why weed is bad is that it is a gateway drug. This is absurd. Kids experimenting with weed and then other drugs are experimentig b/c they are kids and kids naturally experiment.
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4) What editor OK'd this story? I get that it smells like controversy, but ultimately the story is just a way of saying athletes aren't always held to the highest standards at universities, but who doesn't know that already? There's no real story here.

I don't know, I just don't quite understand why people really care about chasing all these drugs around.

REALLY, did you expierment with drugs in your youth? Go figure.

 

[Toga]

Unless you are caught driving stoned, there shouldn't be any penalty, athletic or legal for smoking a joint. Cigarettes kill. Alcohol kills. Number of people who overdosed in the U.S. last year from pot? Zero.

 

[MiniCuse]

College students smoke pot? Shocker.

 

[Hoov50]

Why? There shouldn't be a drug policy period. People on academic scholarships don't have to take drug test, so why should athletes?

For whatever reasons athletes are held to a higher standard than the rest of the student body. This begins with academic eligibility requirements in high school. I have never heard of a school going to a non-athlete's house and unplugging their Xbox or Playstation, but schools are more than happy to suspend athletes from competing. Many of the kids I coach only regularly attend school because of athletics. I do what I can as a coach to make sure they attend class and act appropriately, but I can only do so much when it comes to their academic performance.

 

[44PRIDE]

This thread sounds like every report I ever wrote in high school.

...and hemp rope is stronger than cotton rope
...and paper made from hemp fiber is more environmentally friendly
...and hemp oil is an excellent source of fuel
...and Marijuana is not addictive. It just makes you sit in front of the TV and watch re-runs of Ren & Stimpy all day long.

 

[retro44]

I work in construction and damn near 100% of the jobs now require you to take a drug test before stepping on the job site.Then if you get hurt for any reason you will also have to take a drug test even if its not your fault.If you fail you get fired and sometimes they will let you collect unemployment.

And if you fail a drug test anywhere some industries will basically give you a lifetime ban from employment once that information gets attached to your name. You can fail a test for budweiser and nine mile nuclear power plant will ban you for life. This being done mainly by the insurance industry

SO YEAH...The SEC is very lenient and it would not surprise me in the least if coaches hint at this policy to recruits by saying if you end up in the other conferences you could get expelled,but here at SEC U. we will work with you to stay eligible.

 

[wfschrec]

REALLY, did you expierment with drugs in your youth? Go figure.

He didn't say anything like that it all, it all boils down to whether or not the student-athlete should be held to a higher standard than a student on an academic scholarship. However if you don't think a lot of kids experiment with this stuff you are crazy. I have never used a narcotic other then tobacco or alcohol and never cared to however kids all over are doing it ... ranging from pharm parties to just recreational use, it is insane to think otherwise.

 

[anglerman]

Say what you want pot smokers. Drugs aren't ok period and that includes marijuana. Nothing good comes from smoking weed. Absolutely nothing! Btw it does cause lung disease, much worse than tobacco

 

[OrangePA]

I understand your disgust, I guess, OP but I don't really agree with it. I think there are a bunch of interesting things about this story:

1) Why is the SEC criticized when there is no standard punishment mandated? If the NCAA gives you leeway, how can you criticize schools for, well, taking different paths?

2) I honestly think you could make an argument that the SEC is somewhat enlightened in the sense that they are imposing softer penalties. I mean, weed is an ingrained part of college life for a huge percentage of students (including student-athletes). I mean, you can criticize schools for not cracking down on it, but then you would need to criticize all schools that turn a blind eye (for the most part) to underage drinking. And that would be ... let me check ... every university in the nation.

3) The argument you always hear for why weed is bad is that it is a gateway drug. This is absurd. Kids experimenting with weed and then other drugs are experimenting b/c they are kids and kids naturally experiment.

4) What editor OK'd this story? I get that it smells like controversy, but ultimately the story is just a way of saying athletes aren't always held to the highest standards at universities, but who doesn't know that already? There's no real story here.

I don't know, I just don't quite understand why people really care about chasing all these drugs around.

As far as I am concerned all narcotic drugs should be decriminalized - if people want to smoke pot - let them - it's no different than alcohol as far as I'm concerned. If people want to snort coke - that's their problem. I will only get upset when somebody who is high smashes into my car or my home or my body.

In my opinion, the so-called war on drugs is a pointless, expensive effort that fails to address the issue - one of personal health.

But that's not the issue here.

The issue is the SEC's inapplication of discipline for actions that for the time being at least are illegal.

It seems that the SEC conducts its business as follow: (1) pay the coaches ridiculous amounts of money; (2) don't worry too much about academics; (3 ) allow kids to act out provided they can play and (4) corner the college football market.

There just seems to be no level of integrity in that conference - the SEC doesn't even make an effort to appear to be a collegiate athletic enterprise.

Yuck.

 

[OrangePA]

Why? There shouldn't be a drug policy period. People on academic scholarships don't have to take drug test, so why should athletes?

I think you miss the point. The issue is not whether testing should be performed.

The fact is that testing is done in college football.

And when the SEC kid fails the test there is no penalty.

It's a sham conference that is collegiate in name only.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Say what you want pot smokers. Drugs aren't ok period and that includes marijuana. Nothing good comes from smoking weed. Absolutely nothing! Btw it does cause lung disease, much worse than tobacco

:crazy:

 

[wfschrec]

Say what you want pot smokers. Drugs aren't ok period and that includes marijuana. Nothing good comes from smoking weed. Absolutely nothing! Btw it does cause lung disease, much worse than tobacco

Nothing good comes from cigarettes or alcohol either ... not sure what your point is.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Say what you want pot smokers. Drugs aren't ok period and that includes marijuana. Nothing good comes from smoking weed. Absolutely nothing! Btw it does cause lung disease, much worse than tobacco

It doesnt enhance performance, therefore, from athletics point of view, who cares. Unless you are going to test all scholarship receipients, dont test any.

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[Whitey23]

FREE PHILLIP THOMAS!

 

[retro44]

As far as I am concerned all narcotic drugs should be decriminalized - if people want to smoke pot - let them - it's no different than alcohol as far as I'm concerned. If people want to snort coke - that's their problem. I will only get upset when somebody who is high smashes into my car or my home or my body.

then at what age do you make it legal and at what levels of intoxification for weed and coke.is there such a test???

slive is just trying to seperate his conference from the rest by bending the rules and laws.

 

[billsin01]

As far as I am concerned all narcotic drugs should be decriminalized - if people want to smoke pot - let them - it's no different than alcohol as far as I'm concerned. If people want to snort coke - that's their problem. I will only get upset when somebody who is high smashes into my car or my home or my body.

In my opinion, the so-called war on drugs is a pointless, expensive effort that fails to address the issue - one of personal health.

But that's not the issue here.

The issue is the SEC's inapplication of discipline for actions that for the time being at least are illegal.

It seems that the SEC conducts its business as follow: (1) pay the coaches ridiculous amounts of money; (2) don't worry too much about academics; (3 ) allow kids to act out provided they can play and (4) corner the college football market.

There just seems to be no level of integrity in that conference - the SEC doesn't even make an effort to appear to be a collegiate athletic enterprise.

Yuck.

I'm with you on the narcotic substances and your breakdown of the SEC's general outlook on things is spot on, I would suspect. I think the only place we differ is that I'm not really sure many programs/conferences are doing much differently. And that includes SU. I know you disagree with this and that is absolutely fine. I just think big-time college athletics is much more professional and seedy than people want to believe. There's layers of handlers, the atrocity that is recruiting, entitled kids who complain about not being paid despite free tuition, a boatload of advantages (tutors, trainers, preferred scheduling, elevated status on campus...), coaches whose single-minded focus on football is unsettling (IMO) ... I just think the SEC takes the lion's share of abuse b/c they seem to be brazen about behavior that many, many (most?) other schools/conferences either match or come very close to matching.

 

[wfschrec]

I'm with you on the narcotic substances and your breakdown of the SEC's general outlook on things is spot on, I would suspect. I think the only place we differ is that I'm not really sure many programs/conferences are doing much differently. And that includes SU. I know you disagree with this and that is absolutely fine. I just think big-time college athletics is much more professional and seedy than people want to believe. There's layers of handlers, the atrocity that is recruiting, entitled kids who complain about not being paid despite free tuition, a boatload of advantages (tutors, trainers, preferred scheduling, elevated status on campus...), coaches whose single-minded focus on football is unsettling (IMO) ... I just think the SEC takes the lion's share of abuse b/c they seem to be brazen about behavior that many, many (most?) other schools/conferences either match or come very close to matching.

I agree ... big time college athletics has a very big turn the other cheek mentality ... can't think of a school that I would say is an exception, even BYU who will suspend a guy for violating their "honor code" has skeletons in their closet.

 

[OrangePA]

I'm with you on the narcotic substances and your breakdown of the SEC's general outlook on things is spot on, I would suspect. I think the only place we differ is that I'm not really sure many programs/conferences are doing much differently. And that includes SU. I know you disagree with this and that is absolutely fine. I just think big-time college athletics is much more professional and seedy than people want to believe. There's layers of handlers, the atrocity that is recruiting, entitled kids who complain about not being paid despite free tuition, a boatload of advantages (tutors, trainers, preferred scheduling, elevated status on campus...), coaches whose single-minded focus on football is unsettling (IMO) ... I just think the SEC takes the lion's share of abuse b/c they seem to be brazen about behavior that many, many (most?) other schools/conferences either match or come very close to matching.

That very well may be true.

 

[Scooch]

I don't really care about the SEC, but I'm happy to see some of you have enlightened views on the horrific, destructive sham that is the War on Drugs. It's crippling this country.

 

[All4SU]

Cigarettes are a "gateway drug." Beer is a gateway drug. Model airplane glue is a "gateway drug."

 

[KaiserUEO]

how they punish their pot smokers, line snorters and beer drinkers means nothing to me compared to how they punish their steriod and hgh users.

if they have any.

 

[wfschrec]

Well heck ... lets critique the SEC for this but its OK for Todd Burgan to take the court after dragging a girl down a flight of stairs by her hair ... I really don't care if he was suspended for 8 games or 80 games or 800 games ... he shouldn't have played at all that season but we can stick it to those nasty little pot smokers sitting in their rooms not bothering anyone. I agree with Kaiser ... if a kid is using a performance enhancing drug then its an issue ... if anything pot makes things worse for you on the field ... it doesn't give you an edge.